[FRIAM] nice quote
steve smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Sat Oct 5 17:49:04 EDT 2024
Nick -
And here I thought *I* was being "pithy", then you call me out on
my lithp?! ;^)
The strawman arguments have started coming out, I wonder if anyone
will gen up a steelman?
- tinman Steve
On 10/5/24 11:26 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> So in what sense and for what purposes is this pithy aphorism useful?
> What exactly is the pith?
>
> If a metaphor, what is truth in the metaphor, the positive analog.
> Nobody ever said that all metaphors are /entirely/ wrong.
>
> and yes, I am being pissy.
>
> n
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 11:04 AM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
> All /Pithy Aphorisms/ are wrong, some are useful?
>
> On 10/5/24 9:06 AM, Prof David West wrote:
>> my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical reading,
>> not a literal one. Something akin to Steve's differential rates
>> of evolution. I also would have eschewed 'god like' in favor of
>> 'magical' ala Clarke's dictum about any sufficiently advanced
>> technology.
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>> I think that this way of talking about emotions precludes
>>> careful thought. First of all, neurologizing emotions is just
>>> to hide the pea under the wrong thimble. I don't think
>>> paleolithologizig helps much more. Glen is correct that,
>>> whatever an emotion is, its inputs and outputs are
>>> ontogenetically and culturally determined. So, fear, for
>>> instance, is a relation between something that we take to be
>>> threatening and something that we hope will be avoidance. Inputs
>>> and outputs are everything. The rest is just arousal.
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 7:01 PM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Emotions/Limbic systems evolve at genetic rates,
>>> institutions evolve at
>>> social/cultural rates (maybe the fastest significant change can
>>> happen/resolve is in multiple lifetimes?) but technology is
>>> advancing at
>>> must faster rates?
>>>
>>> Or is this wrong(headed) also?
>>>
>>> On 10/4/24 3:43 PM, glen wrote:
>>> > None of that is true, however romantic it might sound.
>>> Depending on
>>> > how one defines "emotion", that smells the most true. But the
>>> > mechanisms of emotion are as coupled to current reality as
>>> is every
>>> > part of our bodies. To suggest that, say, the Space Force
>>> or methods
>>> > like quantitative easing are medieval is just nonsense.
>>> Technology is
>>> > more democratized than it has ever been. Granted, it takes
>>> (a lot) of
>>> > work to familiarize oneself with something like how GPS
>>> works or how
>>> > to NOT click on that phishing email. But to suggest that it's
>>> > "godlike" says more about the person than it does about
>>> the state of
>>> > technology.
>>> >
>>> > On 10/4/24 11:16, Prof David West wrote:
>>> >> /"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have
>>> Paleolithic
>>> >> emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology.
>>> And it is
>>> >> terrifically dangerous."/ Edward O. Wilson.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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