[FRIAM] Mansplaining the ManSplainOverse: 2024 Rusty Razor award

steve smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Mon Oct 21 12:55:48 EDT 2024


glen sed
> Yes. It can be frustrating. My latest pet peeve are the foodies. No 
> matter where I go, what group I'm hanging out in, the discussion of 
> food absolutely dominates. They'll talk about which pizza place is the 
> best in town for like, an hour. Or they'll talk about risotto for a 
> half an hour then move on to some other obscure dish. It's exhausting. 
> It's even worse when the foodies start mansplaining beer to me. I've 
> been home brewing longer than most of these people have been alive. 
> But they'll yap to no end about it while I remind my self of Gellmann 
> amnesia <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect>

(apologies to Gil for (also) not helping to answer his original plea for 
help with archive.org and lost-data retrieval, and kudos to Glen for 
offering the Gell-Man reference, new to me)

Let me offer some mansplaining about mansplaining:

My favorite 3rd wave feminist (my numbering scheme, starting from 1 not 
0) is Rebecca Solnit and I credit her both with the mansplaining 
adjacent precedent in an essay ( circa 200x) titled "Men explain things 
to me" where she recounts the experience of attending a cocktail party 
invited by a friend (in San Francisco I think) where the hostess 
introduced her to a man who had just read the (first?) book she had 
published on Edward Muybridge.  The man was head over heels in love with 
the subject and the book but didn't listen to the introduction well 
enough to realize he was being introduced to it's *Author*, and 
proceeded to explain everything he had learned from the book about 
Muybridge and his work.   My understanding of Solnit is that she is 
nobody's fool an anything but a wallflower, but being "third wave" not 
known to be a "firebrand" styled feminist.   I don't know if she 
deliberately kept paying out rope to hang himself with or not but by the 
time she extracted herself from the conversation, I think she never 
interrupted him (effectively?) enough to correct or inform him on the 
nature of his travesty of the moment.

I do believe that "mansplaining" as a verb grew popular out of that 
incident/recount (maybe not, "all anecdotes are wrong, few are 
interesting, none are useful?")

She also coined (FWIW, more self-fact-checking indicates she did not 
coin but merely amplify) the hashtag #yesallwomen in response to the 
#notallmen hashtag of roughly 2013(fact-check sez 2014)... I was not a 
hashtag-kinda-guy but knew the idiom at the time... it was after the 
(before the name existed?) incel living with several (asian-american?) 
roomates (he being pasty-white) knifed three to death, drove to a 
sorority house (where he had been ignored/excluded), shot several women, 
then went on a shooting/hit-run rampage until he self-anhillated.

What follows is my contribution to the power demand of AI attempting to 
fact-check myself loosely at the expense of the planet's resources which 
I purport to want to save for my grandchildren to continue to exploit a 
little longer: /(I don't know what the gripe GPT has with my question, 
perhaps the very reference to "incel" or "killing"?)/

    what was the incident in (southern?) california about 10 years ago
    where a young man knifed one or more of his roomates and tried to
    kill (also knife?) a few sorority girls in a fit of pique around his
    inability to attract girls?
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                ChatGPT said:

    ChatGPT

    The incident you're referring to is the /2014 Isla Vista killings/,
    which took place near the University of California, Santa Barbara.
    The attacker was a 22-year-old man named Elliot Rodger, who carried
    out a killing spree on May 23, 2014. His rampage involved a
    combination of stabbings, shootings, and a car attack, and was
    driven by his deep frustration and anger over his inability to form
    relationships with women, a theme he frequently expressed in his
    writings and online videos.

    Rodger started by stabbing three of his roommates to death in his
    apartment. Afterward, he drove to a nearby sorority house, where he
    attempted to enter but was unable to. He then shot three women
    outside the house, killing two of them. After this, he continued
    driving through Isla Vista, shooting at pedestrians and running
    people over with his car before ultimately taking his own life.

    In total, Rodger killed six people and injured 14 others. He left
    behind a manifesto and several YouTube videos outlining his
    grievances, largely focusing on his personal struggles with social
    isolation and rejection by women. The incident sparked widespread
    discussions about mental health, misogyny, and the influence of
    online communities that foster extreme views about gender and
    relationships.

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