[FRIAM] And now for something different: what can we do about the consumer taxes aka tariff damages incoming

[steve smith]

On 4/9/25 11:16 AM, glen wrote:
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/09/anti-protest-bills-trump

I ubered Mary to/from the SFe Capitol to support her street action on 
Saturday in the "Hands Off"  event.   It was very energetic/vigorous, 
well outside of my ability to cope (only barely in my car trying to find 
her to pick her up with people shoving signs and flags in my windscreen 
while many cars on the street honk aggressively and pedestrians gesture 
at me aggressive TO honk MY horn!)

  I'm entirely sympathetic with "the Cause" and acknowledge the right 
(or even responsibility) to take to the streets this way, but as harshly 
offensive as the activity felt (in my bones/spleen) to me, I can only 
barely imagine how it feels to anyone *not* sympathetic with the 
movement/sentiment?   I remember how I felt when I got trapped in a 
"Cowboys for Trump" action in Santa Fe "back in the day".   I love me a 
good horse, but hate it when a "cowboy" uses one to try to intimidate 
pedestrians.  It felt good to look the horse and the rider in the eye 
and not back away like they wanted.  I wasn't counter-protesting or even 
trying to engage... just "standing my ground".

As an(other) aside, I helped Mary letter her signboard using my father's 
1950 vintage stencil set which probably had him rolling in his grave... 
he'd be apologizing for Trump even louder than the FoxFriends do...  The 
signs in general were fascinating, quite the spectrum!   I don't know 
that the mainstream news coverage did full justice to the nationwide 
action, but my friend on a work-trip to the UK reported seeing action 
there too!   It felt like a "dress rehearsal" for the next/first 
opportunity when there is an (even more?) specific/acute event to act 
out against.   I could easily see the crowd sizes double at the drop of 
a hat.

As a coincidence... while doing some grocery shopping while Mary 
marched, I watched a car-hauler with a dozen Teslas (no Stainless 
WankPanzers) crawl north on St Francis traffic.   I'm assuming toward 
the Nambe TSLA dealer (whose lot is already pretty full). Probably best 
it didn't route past the capitol (no good reason to) in that moment.

I didn't see *any* counter-protest action but at least one TSLA Model3 
bearing protest signs and encouraging the crowd.  I felt conspicuous 
even *driving* near/through the crowds and proud/shamed not to be laying 
on my horn cacophonically (limited my support to gentle smiles and 
thumbs up).

My daughter was big in the MoveON! action in ABQ circa 2004.  She 
suffered the disillusionment of youth-protest movements where a small 
subset of her cohort were not there righteously...   looking for 
confrontation with LEO and trying out their revolutionary talk on cute 
girls, alluding to bomb-making, acid-throwing, etc.

  She did take her 6 year old son to Protests in Portland last Saturday 
and wore her WW punches Trump t-shirt and enjoyed the challenge of 
explaining just when/how/where/why direct confrontation and even 
violence is not categorically denied to a young man in the making...  
his father aged out of street protests with MoveON! which was in fact 
where they met... shaking their tiny fists at GW and pumping them for 
Howard Dean just before he flamed out with the "Dean Scream"...  they 
were in bitter mutual opposition in 2016 as BernieBro vs 
foreverHillary.  He may have helped Trump in the first time as part of 
the refusenik cohort who couldn't stomach what the DNC did to/with 
Bernie at that moment.

let the "interesting times" continue!?


>
> On 4/9/25 09:01, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>> It is all going downhill from here. Everything well get a least twice 
>> as expensive. People could join the "Hands Off" protests against the 
>> orange guy in the White House, but I doubt it will have an effect.
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
>> Date: 4/9/25 5:52 PM (GMT+01:00)
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>> <friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: [FRIAM] And now for something different: what can we do 
>> about the consumer taxes aka tariff damages incoming
>>
>>
>> Friam:  A oddly specific person had tantrum.  And prices (for now, 
>> but he's got the attention span of a dying mayfly) on...everything is 
>> looking to get stupid: electronics to shirts and basically everything
>>
>> Ok well that's already awful.
>> Question:
>> What the hell can we do? Legal Eagle has pointed out the consumer tax 
>> hike (tarrifs) are on legally shaky ground.
>> Would enough people we know smashing emails phones or what ever help 
>> get pressuure on anyone that'll listen including courts to revert them?
>> (aka: Friam: instead of me stewing around and getting angry at the 
>> void what reps to spam to try to get this fiasco reversed)
>>
>
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