[FRIAM] money is a delusion

Tue Apr 15 12:56:12 EDT 2025

There are already such fees related to generational wealth: Tuition and room & board of a university education. Rich will get richer and poor will get poorer. 

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
Date: Tuesday, April 15, 2025 at 9:09 AM
To: friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] money is a delusion 

Don't know how it fits between ana and hyper, but I have always preferred my own mental imagery to anything produced by others—e.g., movies made from books that I really enjoyed reading. The only crafted imagery I like is something complex like a Bosch painting or Ridley Scott movies like Blade Runner.

Someday, at least in theory, OpenAI is going to recover its costs/losses by charging exorbitant fees. Kind of like a drug pusher giving you the first dose for free only to impoverish you later when you are addicted.

davew

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025, at 9:59 AM, glen wrote:
> Well, I don't use the web interface enough to know how much free use 
> can drive up OpenAI's costs. If it's true they lose money on every Pro 
> user *and* the Pro user can cost them more than free users can, then 
> that's the point. Drive their costs up faster than their revenue. Of 
> course, because money is all fake anyway, they can just get more from 
> wherever. So it's more of a joke than an actual attack plan.
>
> I'm no more miffed at the cute pictures than I am regular visual arts. 
> I just don't get it ... I think I'm on the spectrum 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia>>
>
> On 4/15/25 7:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Wouldn’t that be the strategy to cut off free users entirely? The key thing is to convince paying users that they are an advantage professionally by buying-in, and that OpenAI services are better than competitors? Honestly, I’m a little miffed by all the focus on cute pictures.
>> 
>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, April 15, 2025 at 7:25 AM
>> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject: *[FRIAM] money is a delusion
>> 
>> OpenAI Is A Systemic Risk To The Tech Industry
>> https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/ <https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/> <https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/ <https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/>>
>> 
>> OK. I've changed my mind. Please buy a fixed price subscription and absolutely HAMMER ChatGPT & Grok with stupid requests to interpret Miley Cyrus lyrics or explore the detailed implications of an Objectivist society ... or generate silly images of Trump with donkeys. Let's convince the Broligarchs that we think their toys are useful. And that even if there's a "correction" at some point, there will be plenty of spin-offs <https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/ <https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/ <https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/>>>! (As if they weren't already enslaved by their Visions.)
>> 
>> I guess the question begging to be asked for such a DDoS attack is what to do with the generated output. We want way too much for any human to look at. >/dev/null seems like a waste. Hard drives are cheap, though. Maybe we could store it for posterity? If there really is a societal collapse, maybe the alien anthropologists could reverse engineer these LLMs from their generative detritus.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, in the actual world:
>> https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/ <https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/> <https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/ <https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/>>
>> 
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