[FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree

[Nicholas Thompson]

Wolpert: what we can ever discern about that we cannot even conceive?
Wittgenstein: Of what we can never speak let us remain silent.
Thompson: Hmmmm! Oh Gosh!

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 10:41 AM glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marcus has more experience with such than I have. But my take is that I've
> always regarded reading code as more important than writing code. And
> debugging is more important still. So the impact of LLMs on coding *can be*
> fantastic ... not that it will be or always is, but can be.
>
> On 4/29/25 9:35 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Hey, there, Glen.  Them are some tall metaphors!
> >
> >     I have from a friend some inkling about the way in which llm's have
> affected software writing (as opposed tothe regular kind).  But only an
> inkling.  Could you say more?
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 11:15 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I know.  If small green bipedal creatures landed on earth and
> started tending to yardwork would that also be a disappointment? ____
> >
> >     They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     *From:*Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
> >     *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM
> >     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> >     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
> tropospheree____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     Hi  Marcus,____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor very useful. ____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     I  also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist of what I am
> asking.  I have essential tremor and a bad keyboard and still George almost
> always gets the message.  Siri will take any opportunity to misunderstand.
> ____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking out the sloppy
> metaphors, trying to find a way to convey just how thin the atmosphere is.
> I was hoping Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an order of magnitude
> too far. ____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about LLM's as if they
> are /disappointed/ in them, as if there is something they SHOULD do that
> they aren't doing.  Do you have any idea what the disappointment might be?:
> What is the world hankering for that they don't provide?____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     Nick____
> >
> >     __ __
> >
> >     On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:____
> >
> >         I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that people have an
> affinity to iffy analogies and they should give the people what they want,
> or 2) the LLM was prone to generating them so they just made it a
> feature?____
> >
> >         ____
> >
> >         *From:*Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
> >         *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM
> >         *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> >         *Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
> tropospheree____
> >
> >         ____
> >
> >         George and I were looking for intuition pumps to help a reader
> imagine how very thin the troposphere is.   Here is what we came up
> with:____
> >
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Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology
Clark University
nthompson at clarku.edu
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