[FRIAM] Autopoetic Surrogacy

[steve smith]

On 4/30/25 2:02 PM, glen wrote:
> Yes. As I understand it, the justification for the tariffs across the 
> board is to dissuade such re-routing. So direct tariffs on China are 
> for strongman optics. But tariffs on every other country are an 
> attempt to bring some manufacturing back to US soil. If that is the 
> rhetoric, it's naive, but slightly more sophisticated than mere 
> grievance.
Yah... to stop those penguins on otherwise uninhabited islands from 
creating a new Amsterdam-like middle-man (penguin) utopia in the 
(ant)arctic.
>
> On 4/30/25 12:33 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> A profitable business might be to help (small) businesses to find 
>> companies in other countries to be distributors of manufactured goods 
>> from China.
>> The distributor could hold the contracts and take a percentage.   If 
>> it was moderate the Chinese manufacturers might just absorb the cost 
>> to keep the business.  The U.S. manufacturer would probably prefer to 
>> keep their suppliers in place to avoid having to test out a new, 
>> untested supplier in Vietnam or whatever.
>>
>> It would make a lot of sense for the Chinese government to facilitate 
>> this to the extent possible.   That way Trump can carry on with his 
>> trade war and China can just nod.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 11:41 AM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Autopoetic Surrogacy
>>
>> Speaking of ports and shelves, I'm getting conflicting reports:
>>
>> https://www.seattletimes.com/business/tariff-tit-for-tat-has-seattle-waiting-for-the-ships-to-come-in/ 
>>
>> https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/what-we-can-verify-about-port-of-seattle-ghost-town-rumors/281-4c678f85-0987-4929-a62d-8fc27ab397b3 
>>
>> https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/rumors-claim-seattle-ports-dead
>>
>> Some talk about a short-term increase in anticipation for a longer 
>> term decline. Etc. But my own anecdotal evidence is the people who 
>> dropped off our new fridge told me that as recent as last month, they 
>> contract-delivered appliances for places like Costco et al at the 
>> rate of ~ 8 deliveries per day. Now it's down to ~ 1 per day. We 
>> speculated that people are making fewer larger purchases out of fear. 
>> So that drop off is demand driven, not directly tariff-driven (or 
>> incompetent boob at the helm driven). But it's all related, I guess.
>>
>> Excuse me, I need to check our stocks of beans and rice ...
>>
>> On 4/30/25 9:52 AM, glen wrote:
>>> big actions and crash various "games" (e.g. empty ports => empty 
>>> shelves), we'd minimize both the effort of the extraordinary in 
>>> defining new games and the critical points of the ordinary people.
>>
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