From gepropella at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 10:48:47 2025 From: gepropella at gmail.com (glen) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 07:48:47 -0800 Subject: [FRIAM] posers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47174114-c04b-4bcb-9525-cd400d4d3bb1@gmail.com> That's a very cool tune. Clearly, the beat's complex. 😛 ``` $ sox booga.ogg -t raw -r 44100 -e float -c 1 - | bpm 90.010 $ python bpm.py booga.wav 123.257476 booga.wav ``` On 11/27/25 3:35 PM, Jon Zingale wrote: > Perhaps, it's terminal slam? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhV-OKHecI&list=RDEMgL6t1bBAPhpbzzUZLHLq1w > -- ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ ǝ uǝןƃ ὅτε oi μὲν ἄλλοι κύνες τοὺς ἐχϑροὺς δάκνουσιν, ἐγὰ δὲ τοὺς φίλους, ἵνα σώσω. From jonzingale at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 11:39:39 2025 From: jonzingale at gmail.com (Jon Zingale) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 09:39:39 -0700 Subject: [FRIAM] posers Message-ID: Damn, I didn't know about sox. To think I could have been using the command line for piping audio to lists of floats. Over the pandemic I used Data.Wave quite a bit in an attempt to build my own DAW: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/WAVE-0.1.6/docs/Data-WAVE.html Anymore, I just want a bucket full of Mythics that I can train on a saxophone before screaming/inferencing through a mic. https://mythic.ai/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sasmyth at swcp.com Mon Dec 1 12:22:48 2025 From: sasmyth at swcp.com (Steve Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 10:22:48 -0700 Subject: [FRIAM] mental imagery In-Reply-To: <3067ad09-261c-498d-bfd6-39ba0d248e68@gmail.com> References: <08b95b59-1451-41f1-8575-deba98ed2422@gmail.com> <3067ad09-261c-498d-bfd6-39ba0d248e68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7142c7cb-9d9d-4091-9216-d6a29a280953@swcp.com> glen wrote: > I love that we're sticking to the thread, but in a hermeneutic way. I don't know if my focusing on this tangent is hermeneutic but here I am bending the bend I suppose? > > Steve's use of "conceit" often confuses me. If I replace it with > "controlling idea" ... or, better, "occult controlling idea", then it > seems like agency is *the* conceit of our modern times. Framing one's > inability to compute as a moral failing feels akin to blaming the > victim. But what choice do we have? We absolutely must, and always do, > blame the victim. Right? If you're aphantasic, then it's clearly > because you're too lazy to put in the effort. I think you captured a key connotation I *often* intend in my use of "conceit" here...   and I *do* credit you with A) often "putting in the effort" whilst also B) cutting your losses - when it comes to trying to untangle my convolutions (or is it doconvolving my tangles?) To the point I think (imagine/project) your are making here, I definitely want to *own* "controlling idea" in my usage and "occult" is a significant useful modifier, though perhaps more in the sense of an *open secret*... as if it is a shared, agreed-upon lacuna (e.g.  emperors new threads)? From gepropella at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 12:48:41 2025 From: gepropella at gmail.com (glen) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 09:48:41 -0800 Subject: [FRIAM] migraine auras, reprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <248edf5b-1239-4e89-aaea-d78ba54419b9@gmail.com> It's unclear to me why you would limit yourself to this sampling technique. There are plenty of narratives available, with a large variety of methods (and rigor). E.g. https://migrainetrust.org/migraine-stories/lees-story-of-migraine-with-aura/ https://www.daniellefoundation.org/migraine-stories https://www.migrainefree.sg/join-the-conversation There are systematic reviews, mixed-methods analyses, etc. What are you trying to do exactly? On 11/29/25 8:07 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > As often happens, my original post on mental imagery worked itself away from my original purpose, which was to explore the concept of objectivity. My hunch was that the experience of  migraine aura was objective in that it was described by those that had them in a pretty standard way.  So, I wonder if people on the list would send me descriptions of those auras.  You can either reply to the list or use the email address, nthompson at clarku.edu . > > If I receive a bunch, I will write up a little report. > -- ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ ǝ uǝןƃ ὅτε oi μὲν ἄλλοι κύνες τοὺς ἐχϑροὺς δάκνουσιν, ἐγὰ δὲ τοὺς φίλους, ἵνα σώσω. From sasmyth at swcp.com Mon Dec 1 13:02:52 2025 From: sasmyth at swcp.com (Steve Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 11:02:52 -0700 Subject: [FRIAM] Gamma Color Space In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cody - A simple dismissal is "it is an anachronism" As with many CS/CE tools of art, it originated as a first approximation to correct a mismatch between what was desired/needed and what was available. It is "simply" a first order model of the nonlinear difference between recording/display physics (originally film, then CRT, then "all" forms of digital recording, encoding, compression, playback, printing, etc).   These "nonlinearities" are then convolved with the nonlinearities of vision (both in luminance and chrominance) Along the way the "wisdom" of the veterans who explcitely knew how to use that model became *implicit* in the tools and techniques and became (borrowing glen's word) somewhat occult to those who used it later. I had the good/bad fortune of working with film recording in my early career which made me acutely aware of these issue, especially as we tried to resolve film (transmissive) exposed by and recorded from CRT (stroke) images against CRT (emissive) displays (early color monitors) against print (reflective).   A simple exponential (gamma) curve is useful in this but far from complete or accurate (models: wrong Vs useful). Steven's Power Law refers to psychophysics of human (and all vertebrate/Neuronal?) perceptual systems across all sensory modes.   Combine (convolve - compose multiple power laws) that with the recording/storage/display physics  (of light) and you (conveniently) get a single exponent (Gamma).   Then run that through hundreds of thousands of geeky scientists and engineers and tech dweebs and tech marketers for about 40 years and *bob's your uncle!* (whatever that means) Gamma! Ed may well have a much more eloquent (and historically/technically accurate) answer. On 11/26/25 10:59 am, cody dooderson wrote: > I have been going down a rabbit hole trying to figure out the origin > and purpose of the Gamma Color Space. In Unity, it is usually turned > on in some obscure checkbox. I can only assume that the intention is > to enrage graphic designers. So far, each article and forum I read > makes me more confused. 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From thompnickson2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 20:45:27 2025 From: thompnickson2 at gmail.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2025 18:45:27 -0700 Subject: [FRIAM] migraine auras, reprise In-Reply-To: <248edf5b-1239-4e89-aaea-d78ba54419b9@gmail.com> References: <248edf5b-1239-4e89-aaea-d78ba54419b9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Idunno. Because its more fun to ask you?? Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology Clark University nthompson at clarku.edu https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:49 AM glen wrote: > It's unclear to me why you would limit yourself to this sampling > technique. There are plenty of narratives available, with a large variety > of methods (and rigor). E.g. > > > https://migrainetrust.org/migraine-stories/lees-story-of-migraine-with-aura/ > https://www.daniellefoundation.org/migraine-stories > https://www.migrainefree.sg/join-the-conversation > > There are systematic reviews, mixed-methods analyses, etc. What are you > trying to do exactly? > > On 11/29/25 8:07 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > As often happens, my original post on mental imagery worked itself away > from my original purpose, which was to explore the concept of objectivity. > My hunch was that the experience of migraine aura was objective in that it > was described by those that had them in a pretty standard way. So, I > wonder if people on the list would send me descriptions of those auras. > You can either reply to the list or use the email address, > nthompson at clarku.edu . > > > > If I receive a bunch, I will write up a little report. > > > > > -- > ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ ǝ uǝןƃ > ὅτε oi μὲν ἄλλοι κύνες τοὺς ἐχϑροὺς δάκνουσιν, ἐγὰ δὲ τοὺς φίλους, ἵνα > σώσω. > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2025, 9:09 PM Nicholas Thompson > wrote: > > As often happens, my original post on mental imagery worked itself > away from my original purpose, which was to explore the concept of > objectivity. My hunch was that the experience of migraine aura was > objective in that it was described by those that had them in a > pretty standard way.  So, I wonder if people on the list would > send me descriptions of those auras.  You can either reply to the > list or use the email address, nthompson at clarku.edu. > > If I receive a bunch, I will write up a little report. > > Nick > > > -- > > Nicholas S. 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