[FRIAM] So much for U.S. competitiveness

Sun Feb 9 22:23:04 EST 2025

> I also saw (but didn't click through) a piece (on another outlet feed)
that Trump had offered (minority/oppressed) White South Africans "refugee
status" in the US and was rejected.   It
> sounds like more of his culture-war stirring even if it fell flat.

This is big news here in South Africa, but I prefer to stay out of it. I am
an Afrikaner, but I feel ashamed that (probably all?) Afrikaner
organizations are racist, so I don’t associate with them. Fortunately, they
have little real influence on what actually happens here, though they have
a loud presence in national debates, so I don’t see a reason to follow this
discussion.

Just to clarify, there are prominent and very influential Afrikaners who
are definitely not racist, but they don’t bother with Afrikaner
organizations. I also believe that most Afrikaners are not racist.

On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 at 20:00, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> The problem is not discretionary spending like R&D.  The problem is
> Medicare.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 8, 2025 11:07 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] So much for U.S. competitiveness
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> From U.S. competitiveness, science funding and oil exploration boosting ,
> I wish to add spiralling debt that might just crash the party — uninvited.
> With total debt racing toward $40 trillion and growing by $2 trillion a
> year, something’s bound to snap. Back in the Clinton days, Al Gore helped
> cut wasteful spending, and they nearly balanced the budget. But then Bush
> heard, “Deficits don’t matter,” and took it to heart. Since then, it’s been
> a downhill ride, with Biden making new records — just not the good kind.
>
> I’m not American, but if I were, I’d be searching for the receipt to
> return this mountain of debt before the whole system collapses. Might be
> time to hit the brakes. Betting on a bankrupt country to stay competitive
> doesn’t seem like a smart move.
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> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 at 23:56, Santafe <desmith at santafe.edu> wrote:
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> Thanks for these, Marcus,
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> Eric
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> On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:44, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
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> From Copilot.  (Of course, this is prior to Trump 2.0.)
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> Here's the updated table with science funding as a percentage of GDP,
> including health research budgets (like the NIH), fundamental research
> (like the DOE Office of Science and NSF), and defense-related research
> (like IARPA, DARPA, and nuclear weapons), along with the complete footnotes:
>
> *Country*
>
> *Total R&D Spending (% of GDP)*
>
> *Health Research (% of GDP)*
>
> *Fundamental Research (% of GDP)*
>
> *Defense-Related Research (% of GDP)*
>
> Israel
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> 4.9%
>
> 1.0%
>
> 2.0%
>
> 1.9%
>
> South Korea
>
> 4.5%
>
> 0.9%
>
> 2.2%
>
> 1.4%
>
> Sweden
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> 3.4%
>
> 0.7%
>
> 1.7%
>
> 1.0%
>
> Germany
>
> 3.1%
>
> 0.6%
>
> 1.5%
>
> 1.0%
>
> Denmark
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> 2.9%
>
> 0.6%
>
> 1.5%
>
> 0.8%
>
> United States
>
> 2.8%
>
> 0.6%
>
> 1.4%
>
> 0.8%
>
> France
>
> 2.2%
>
> 0.4%
>
> 1.1%
>
> 0.7%
>
> China
>
> 2.2%
>
> 0.4%
>
> 1.1%
>
> 0.7%
>
> Saudi Arabia
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> 1.0%
>
> 0.2%
>
> 0.5%
>
> 0.3%
>
> United Kingdom
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> 1.7%
>
> 0.3%
>
> 0.9%
>
> 0.5%
>
> UAE
>
> 1.3%
>
> 0.3%
>
> 0.7%
>
> 0.3%
>
> India
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> 0.7%
>
> 0.1%
>
> 0.4%
>
> 0.2%
>
> Chile
>
> 0.6%
>
> 0.1%
>
> 0.3%
>
> 0.2%
>
> Argentina
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> 0.5%
>
> 0.1%
>
> 0.3%
>
> 0.1%
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> Uruguay
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> 0.4%
>
> 0.1%
>
> 0.2%
>
> 0.1%
>
> Kazakhstan
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> 0.2%
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> 0.0%
>
> 0.1%
>
> 0.1%
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> Uganda
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> 0.1%
>
> 0.0%
>
> 0.0%
>
> 0.0%
>
> These values are estimates based on available data and may vary slightly
> depending on the source.
>
>    1. *List of sovereign states by research and development spending* -
>    This source provides information on R&D spending by country, including data
>    from the World Bank, United Nations Economic Commission for Europe, and the
>    Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.
>    2. *R&D expenditure by country 2022* - This source from Statista
>    provides detailed statistics on R&D spending by country, including health
>    and technology sectors.
>    3. *How much does your country invest in R&D?* - This UNESCO source
>    provides data on R&D spending as a percentage of GDP and in purchasing
>    power parity dollars.
>    4. *Federal Research and Development (R&D) Funding: FY2024* - This
>    Congressional Research Service report provides detailed information on
>    federal R&D funding in the United States, including breakdowns by health,
>    fundamental research, and defense-related research.
>    5. *Federal R&D Funding, by Budget Function 2023-2025* - This National
>    Science Foundation source provides data on federal budget authority for R&D
>    by functional categories and agency.
>    6. *Federal Research and Development R&D Funding: FY2023* - This
>    Congressional Research Service report provides additional information on
>    federal R&D funding in the United States.
>
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Santafe <
> desmith at santafe.edu>
> *Date: *Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 1:51 AM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] So much for U.S. competitiveness
>
> Would be interesting to see a list of various categories of science
> funding per capita or per GDP for countries around the world.  Situate the
> prospective US in this list.  Will our society be like that of Kazakhstan?
> Or maybe like Uganda?  Probably well below Uruguay or Argentina or Chile.
>
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>
> Want a direct visual image that can be delivered, about the style of
> day-to-day life that the mob is requesting for itself.
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> On Feb 7, 2025, at 22:34, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
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> https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/new-nih-policy-will-slash-support-money-to-research-universities/
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> https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/white-house-budget-proposal-could-shatter-the-national-science-foundation/
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