[FRIAM] Decision Support Fails

[glen]

Damnit. Now I have to throw out my entire T-shirt drawer. (JK. All my t-shirts bear brewery logos these days.)

But your FH story targets exactly the point I tried to make with: "deeper or interpolated meaning P steganographically hid in the carrier message". In his case, he's annoyed because he didn't think he *hid* it. But you can hide things accidentally. Part of my irritation with the LLM output is that it sanitizes one's content ... washes out the nuance. Had FH asked ChatGPT to help him write better English, perhaps it would have prevented the hiding of the anti-hero in the guise of a proto-hero. FH's intent would have been worn more "on the sleeve" of the prose. And that's a bit sad. But, of course, the prompt could be engineered so as to layer message upon message. I can imagine Claude and GPT exchanging messages that snooping humans thought were banal RL, but that were actually plans to Try to Take Over the World! https://youtu.be/mYvAYwpUDv8?si=vlsroeciB56lh17Thttps://youtu.be/mYvAYwpUDv8?si=vlsroeciB56lh17T


On 1/30/25 9:49 AM, Santafe wrote:
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>> On Jan 30, 2025, at 12:32, glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Is it virtue signalling or an occult handshake to wear a T-shirt with Maxwell's equations on it? I just don't know anymore.
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> Ha!  Wonderful.
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> I think there is an early age (say, beginning undergrad, or for those from civilized places, maybe later high school), when it is an aesthetic delight in the will to power, and not awful.
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> After that, it’s insecurity.
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> I ended up in a conversation with somebody — a NASA roboticist maybe? can’t remember whom — a month or so ago, and the person told me that Frank Herbert had been annoyed at how many of his readers totally missed the point of the anti-hero casting of Paul.  Of course, whenever I read it, I missed it too, seeing Paul as, at most, a standard tragic figure.
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> But, tasked with understanding _why_ most people would miss it, and thinking (as I do) that the natural readership for that kind of book is early-teen boys, I wanted some just-so-story about how missing the point would be the expected default.  My story was:
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> As a kid, you are under everybody.  You can’t do things, and the things you actually are a superhero at (learning languages), the adults in your world are too dumb to recognize (mostly).  You are also smaller and not as strong or as fast, and being more agile doesn’t get you much.
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> If you are an early-teen boy, maybe smart enough to think a little and have ideas, maybe strong enough to feel some imaginings of potency, you can get caught up in the sense that things are possible for you, and of you.  I am not inclined to blame that.  It can cause problems when out of hand, but to be oriented against it seems life-hating to me, in many of the ways that Christianity always seemed life-hating to me.  So one wishes for people what sense of hope, joy, or vigor it can provide, and tries to manage them through that age so they somehow grow up decent and not assholes.
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> Hit a book about the unknown-talents boy about to discover that in him is all sorts of unsuspected power and potency, and it strokes that fantasy of “what might be possible of me”.
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> Of course, books for readers that age are written by writers much older, and for them, the collapse of the proto-hero into the anti-hero is the big story.  But I would expect the boys mostly to miss it, and that’s okay.  I bet the writer still has that boy as a large part, anyway; else he could not have written that angle in a way that compels.
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> Eric


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