[FRIAM] Elno Mv$k and Fossil Fuels

[glen]

Yeah but ... What would be even better would be to design the automation such that it's scale free, at least a little bit. I'm thinking something like this:

https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/advs.202409330

The simply term "automation" could imply VERY large machines, like 3D printers stretched over acres of land, picking and manipulating the little things. Or it could imply a collection of a few large machines, many meso machines, and lots of micro or pico machines all orchestrated to metabolize old panels and regrow new ones. *Then* it would look more sustainable to me.

On 7/11/25 7:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Installation, tear down, recycling, and re-fabrication all need to be automated.
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> A tech bro wet dream, that is. Maybe there's something wrong with me. But what I see when looking at those pictures is something like one of those post-apocalyptic movie scenes where a city is being retaken by the biosphere ... or maybe a hermit crab using a can as its shell.
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> It's easy to abstract away and think about the humans who manufacture and repair those panel manifolds like so many molecules maintaining a cell or so many glands growing a new shell or exoskeleton. But that analogy's pretty fraught. And it's not merely the life cycles of the panels (and wind mills) that pokes at me. I also wonder about the bioengineering of the various ecosystems, including deserts, and how that will turn out.
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> None of that's an argument for not paving the earth with panels or continuing to drain the fossil fuel battery. But it's just what I think when I look at those pictures. It just feels so centrally planned ... so ... inorganic. I can't help think about what it will look like within a lifetime of the kids around me:
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> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004225005930
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> On 7/11/25 6:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Every so often I need to post an Atlantic article, and that time has arrived again.
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>> https://www.theatlantic.com/photography/archive/2025/07/photos-china-solar-power-energy/683488/?gift=IwTom6kf_sPDx8WzuZ66aeDqXjixawasB22Cb-q9aVA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
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