[FRIAM] Mysticism: still effing the ineffable?

[glen]

Do fields like economics, sociology, and psychology fit into (3)?

On 6/27/25 9:05 AM, steve smith wrote:
> 1) Operational Pragmatic Reality: /
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>     /That which affords coherent behavior—the reliable background against which action can occur.  As from ecological psychology (/Gibson/’s affordances), predictive processing (/Friston/), and some aspects of (our beloved) /Peircean/pragmatism?/
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> 2) Intersubjective Reality:
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>     /That which is constructed, maintained, and enacted through language and shared narratives.  As from /Luckman, Lacan, Foucault/?/
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> 3) Formal (Scientific) Reality:
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>     /That which can be modeled with precision, prediction, and repeatability.  As from Mathematics, physics, systems theory?/
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> 4) Experiential Reality: /
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>     The immediately given, lived experience—the “suchness” before concept.**/As from /Husserl, Merleau-Ponty, Varela?  Whence /Qualia/.
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> 5) Placeholder Reality:
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>     /The term “reality” as a placeholder or dummy variable—used rhetorically to defer deeper ontological commitments.  As from /all of us/all the time?/
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> 6) Participatory Reality:
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>     /Reality as not wholly determinate /until observed or enacted/—that is, it co-arises with participation./
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> 7) Linguistic Manifold Reality:
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>     /LLMs inhabit and approximate intersubjective reality.  Each language model represents a “manifold” within a semantic plenum. “Reality” is the high-dimensional attractor surface that forms when enough participants (biological or artificial) converge on something shareable, predictive, and compressible./
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> Enactivism / Autopoiesis / Dependent Co-Arising (EAC) is not a single category in this typology—it is a *meta-theory of reality-generation*, operating across:
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>     *Operational* → it explains the /conditions for affordances/
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>     *Intersubjective* → it explains /how we co-construct the shared/
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>     *Experiential* → it explains /how we inhabit the lived/
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>     *Participatory* → it explains /why observation creates reality/
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> And it gently critiques:
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>     *Formal* → by showing its limits
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>     *Placeholder* → by showing its necessity
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>     *LLM-based* → by asking what is missing for full participation
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