[FRIAM] intgegration

[glen]

I think what might be left out of this analysis is the "need for cognition". I don't think emotion and reason are biologically disjoint. But I do think emotion tends to be more systemic, has a positive feedback or a "washes over you" element that reason doesn't usually have. (Perhaps caveat some people, or most people taking a nootropic that facilitates getting into the Flow.) People who exhibit a high "need for cognition" are either less prone to the positive feedback in emotional responses or their reasoning is equally engulfing. I can *imagine* being just as awestruck while working through a complicated proof as being caught up in a cool groove at a rave. I can only imagine it though.

People like Allison may have an impoverished need for cognition. But even that may be too simple. He obviously worked very hard on his videos. And it takes more than a little technical and artistic skill to be a successful DJ. Your idea of self-stimulation works in that sense.

But what's more interesting is the desire to take whatever stimulus excites you *public*. E.g. let's say I find it fun to flip quarters and count the heads. I could do that for hours on end, till my fingers are sore. What might drive me to a) do that in front of other people? b) Encourage other people to do it? c) Find ways to reinforce how much fun it is? d) If others don't seem to respond, up the ante or get mad at them? Etc. Allison seemed to love gore, violence, putrid hate, etc. as well as a good groove at a DJ gig. Fine. To each their own. But what extra element is added by engineering gore- and hate-filled videos to stoke it in others? That I don't understand.

It feels analogous to religious nutjobs who insist that others think/talk in terms of their chosen pantheon. It's like they *need* others to participate in their masturbatory fantasies.

On 3/25/25 10:13 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I don’t know anything more about the Allison story than you provided, but it seems plausible to me there could be a common psychological syndrome here.   In his case, a synergy between stimulation that amounts to pornography combined with the recruitment of parts of the brain used for emotional engagement and moral reasoning.   If one has watched Musk unravel over the last few years, he could be experiencing something similar.  He seems addicted to the transgressive ideas, even more so than Trump.  It gets him off and now there is no social pressure that can contain it.   Even with Tesla trending down, there’s plenty of fuel to keep the fire burning.
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> This paper develops the idea with fMRI evidence:
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> https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.1062872 <https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.1062872>
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> Comparing the two individuals:
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> An emotionally intense self-concept becomes fused with a platform identity.
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> That platform becomes the stage for moral, emotional, and identity battles.
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> Over time, external feedback (likes, fans, outrage) replaces internal filtering.
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> Public behavior becomes more personal, moralistic, and emotionally amplified.
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> *Boundaries collapse*— between public/private, personal/professional, belief/strategy.
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 25, 2025 at 7:08 AM
> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *[FRIAM] intgegration
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> Secret Life of Matthew Allison
> https://www.propublica.org/article/matthew-allison-dj-terrogram-collective-boise-dallas-humber <https://www.propublica.org/article/matthew-allison-dj-terrogram-collective-boise-dallas-humber>
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> Frank and I had several arguments a long while back about the ontological status of the "integrated self" (e.g. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-10217-002) <https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-10217-002)>. Meanwhile, many of us have gone 'round and 'round about the extent to which we can take behaviorism seriously. While Allison may be an extreme case, I maintain that each of us compartmentalizes, not merely as a coping or defense mechanism, but as a fundamental part of what it means to be an animal. I've also accused Dave of the composition fallacy in arguing for high order psychological phenomena as an effect of low order brain lateralization. But I also find "we are multitudes" a convenient if not entirely true rhetorical frame for talking about our (most of us) lack of psychological integration.
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> Given all that, I am almost never surprised when one of someone's secret selves peeks through whatever veneer they've presented to me. The default assumption should be epistemic humility. Each time you catch yourself thinking you understand someone, pull out your discipline whip and use it.
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