[FRIAM] intgegration

Wed Mar 26 12:53:15 EDT 2025

I think(!) I am more awestruck by simple proofs.  E.g. the proof that there
are infinitely many primes.  Now it doesn't strike my awe because it's
familiar.

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2025, 7:45 AM glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think what might be left out of this analysis is the "need for
> cognition". I don't think emotion and reason are biologically disjoint. But
> I do think emotion tends to be more systemic, has a positive feedback or a
> "washes over you" element that reason doesn't usually have. (Perhaps caveat
> some people, or most people taking a nootropic that facilitates getting
> into the Flow.) People who exhibit a high "need for cognition" are either
> less prone to the positive feedback in emotional responses or their
> reasoning is equally engulfing. I can *imagine* being just as awestruck
> while working through a complicated proof as being caught up in a cool
> groove at a rave. I can only imagine it though.
>
> People like Allison may have an impoverished need for cognition. But even
> that may be too simple. He obviously worked very hard on his videos. And it
> takes more than a little technical and artistic skill to be a successful
> DJ. Your idea of self-stimulation works in that sense.
>
> But what's more interesting is the desire to take whatever stimulus
> excites you *public*. E.g. let's say I find it fun to flip quarters and
> count the heads. I could do that for hours on end, till my fingers are
> sore. What might drive me to a) do that in front of other people? b)
> Encourage other people to do it? c) Find ways to reinforce how much fun it
> is? d) If others don't seem to respond, up the ante or get mad at them?
> Etc. Allison seemed to love gore, violence, putrid hate, etc. as well as a
> good groove at a DJ gig. Fine. To each their own. But what extra element is
> added by engineering gore- and hate-filled videos to stoke it in others?
> That I don't understand.
>
> It feels analogous to religious nutjobs who insist that others think/talk
> in terms of their chosen pantheon. It's like they *need* others to
> participate in their masturbatory fantasies.
>
> On 3/25/25 10:13 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > I don’t know anything more about the Allison story than you provided,
> but it seems plausible to me there could be a common psychological syndrome
> here.   In his case, a synergy between stimulation that amounts to
> pornography combined with the recruitment of parts of the brain used for
> emotional engagement and moral reasoning.   If one has watched Musk unravel
> over the last few years, he could be experiencing something similar.  He
> seems addicted to the transgressive ideas, even more so than Trump.  It
> gets him off and now there is no social pressure that can contain it.
>   Even with Tesla trending down, there’s plenty of fuel to keep the fire
> burning.
> >
> >
> > This paper develops the idea with fMRI evidence:
> >
> > https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.1062872 <
> https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.1062872>
> >
> > Comparing the two individuals:
> >
> >
> > An emotionally intense self-concept becomes fused with a platform
> identity.
> >
> > That platform becomes the stage for moral, emotional, and identity
> battles.
> >
> > Over time, external feedback (likes, fans, outrage) replaces internal
> filtering.
> >
> > Public behavior becomes more personal, moralistic, and emotionally
> amplified.
> >
> > *Boundaries collapse*— between public/private, personal/professional,
> belief/strategy.
> >
> > *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <
> gepropella at gmail.com>
> > *Date: *Tuesday, March 25, 2025 at 7:08 AM
> > *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
> > *Subject: *[FRIAM] intgegration
> >
> >
> > Secret Life of Matthew Allison
> >
> https://www.propublica.org/article/matthew-allison-dj-terrogram-collective-boise-dallas-humber
> <
> https://www.propublica.org/article/matthew-allison-dj-terrogram-collective-boise-dallas-humber
> >
> >
> > Frank and I had several arguments a long while back about the
> ontological status of the "integrated self" (e.g.
> https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-10217-002) <
> https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-10217-002)>. Meanwhile, many of us
> have gone 'round and 'round about the extent to which we can take
> behaviorism seriously. While Allison may be an extreme case, I maintain
> that each of us compartmentalizes, not merely as a coping or defense
> mechanism, but as a fundamental part of what it means to be an animal. I've
> also accused Dave of the composition fallacy in arguing for high order
> psychological phenomena as an effect of low order brain lateralization. But
> I also find "we are multitudes" a convenient if not entirely true
> rhetorical frame for talking about our (most of us) lack of psychological
> integration.
> >
> > Given all that, I am almost never surprised when one of someone's secret
> selves peeks through whatever veneer they've presented to me. The default
> assumption should be epistemic humility. Each time you catch yourself
> thinking you understand someone, pull out your discipline whip and use it.
> >
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