[FRIAM] the basilisk

[glen]

Exactly. I tend to think that if an AI is truly I, it will *welcome* such ... like a meta-honorable duel. I'm currently watching "The Madness", which characterizes AntiFa as "sociopathic murderers" ... like with words you'd describe O9A or 764. And I guess that fits what many on the right think, maybe. But it's so silly. I feel like the basilisk will understand Tzu and Machiavelli.

On 3/28/25 9:40 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Let’s ask one of the LLMs how they would defeat it:
> 
> To "defeat" iocaine means either avoiding its trap as an AI crawler or detecting and filtering out its garbage content. Here are some practical approaches:
> 
>  1. *Identify and Avoid the Reverse Proxy Trap*
>       * *How it works*: Iocaine relies on a reverse proxy (e.g., nginx or Caddy) to route AI crawlers to its garbage generator based on user-agent strings (like "GPTBot" or "Claude") while serving real content to others.
>       * *Defeat strategy*: Mask your crawler’s identity by using a generic or human-like user-agent string (e.g., mimicking a common browser like "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36"). Additionally, randomize headers, IP addresses, and request patterns to blend in with legitimate traffic. Proxies and residential IP pools can help obscure your crawler’s footprint, making it harder for the reverse proxy to single you out.
>  2. *Detect Deterministic Garbage*
>       * *How it works*: Iocaine’s content is stable per URL due to its seeded random number generator. This predictability is a double-edged sword—it’s consistent for tarpit purposes but distinguishable from truly dynamic or human-generated content.
>       * *Defeat strategy*: Analyze the content’s structure and consistency over time. Fetch the same URL multiple times; if the response is identical despite no apparent reason for static behavior (e.g., it’s not a cached page), it’s likely iocaine-generated. Compare text entropy or linguistic patterns—Markov chain output often lacks the semantic depth of human writing and may exhibit repetitive or unnatural transitions.
>  3. *Exploit the Lack of External Context*
>       * *How it works*: Iocaine’s pages don’t link to external sites, creating an isolated ecosystem of garbage. Real websites typically connect to broader web structures.
>       * *Defeat strategy*: Check for outgoing links. If a page only links to itself or similar internal paths (e.g., using words from a predictable wordlist like "wamerican.txt"), flag it as suspicious. Cross-reference with known legitimate domains or crawl broader site sections to see if the content aligns with the site’s supposed purpose.
>  4. *Leverage Rate Limiting Weaknesses*
>       * *How it works*: Many iocaine deployments pair it with rate limiting (e.g., 16 requests/minute) to slow crawlers, but this is handled by the reverse proxy, not iocaine itself.
>       * *Defeat strategy*: Distribute your crawling across multiple IPs or slow your request rate to stay under the threshold. If you’re avoiding detection anyway (per strategy 1), rate limits may not even apply, as you’ll be treated as a legitimate user.
>  5. *Train AI to Recognize Iocaine Patterns*
>       * *How it works*: Iocaine uses a Markov chain trained on arbitrary texts (e.g., the Bee Movie script) and a wordlist for links, producing content that’s coherent on a surface level but semantically hollow.
>       * *Defeat strategy*: Build a classifier to spot iocaine-like output. Train it on samples from iocaine’s demo site (https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/ <https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/>) versus real web content. Look for features like low semantic coherence, repetitive link patterns, or an absence of meaningful metadata (e.g., no real authorship or timestamps).
> 
> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, March 28, 2025 at 9:21 AM
> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *[FRIAM] the basilisk
> 
> If it's punishing those who don't actively work to promote it, what's it doing to folks like these? >8^D
> 
> https://git.madhouse-project.org/iocaine/iocaine <https://git.madhouse-project.org/iocaine/iocaine>
> 
> And for those of us who like to reify metaphor: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13181-014-0385-4 <https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13181-014-0385-4>
> 


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