[FRIAM] absurd

[glen]

Yeah. But I still think there's some degenerate limit to the variation of singular Grand Unified LLMs. Yes, such an LLM can be prompted to exhibit a bias (personality, idiom, language, etc.). But we have an existence proof (humans) that localized "agents", that aren't trained on *all* (or a very big lot) of the data, exhibit the variety present across the data sets.

So it seems the best way to suck the weirdos down various rabbit holes (and thereby neutralize them) is with a variety of LMs (not Large) specific to a variety of domains. Similarly, we might be able to train some of the LMs in deprogramming techniques, each set of techniques matched to the type of rabbit hole they're in.

cf https://flower.ai/blog/2025-03-19-flower-vana-federated-dao/

On 5/1/25 8:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> The Zurich researchers (pranksters?) demonstrated a compelling capability IMO.    To reasonable humans there's a point at which advocacy and activism just take too much time.   But what if it were just a matter of getting more energy and more GPUs?   Every reactionary on social media could be exhausted.  They would have no more time to cause trouble.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
> Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 7:17 AM
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] absurd
> 
> Ha! Yeah. It reminds me of a problem I have with a colleague. Whenever the boss asks for it, they're happy to generate slides for a presentation or pretty pictures snapped from some app or another. But when you ask them for actual code (and data for that code), their answer is always something like "It's not quite ready to share" or "It's a research project and the code is all messy." [grrrr]
> 
> Alex *talking* to ChatGPT and trying to elicit the paradox by gum-flapping (or pulses through a voice coil) hearkens back to the idea that a thing can only be approximately understood through informal language and the problems with ordinary language philosophy.
> 
> It also targets Nick's understanding of what Wittgenstein was talking about. Persnickety old Ludwig wasn't using "ordinary language". When he says "The world is composed of facts, not things", he makes it fairly clear he's *not* talking about ontology, but (nearly) ungrounded logic, all syntax. At some point in Alex's chat, he/they talk/s about the unreasonable efficacy of math. And the paradox is so On the Tip of its Voice Coil, I could barely stand it.
> 
> On 5/1/25 6:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Did they establish a coordinate and geometry system for the hands?    I would have asked for source code to a simulation using Bullet physics and had the game engine detect the point of collision.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
>> Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 6:14 AM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: [FRIAM] absurd
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>> This is what I imagine y'all are doing when you chat with LLMs:
>>
>> Confusing ChatGPT With an Impossible Paradox https://youtu.be/1qbiCKrbbYc?si=V8U_mioTmlaDpynM
>>
>> At times, it smacks of a Monty Python skit.
>>


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