[FRIAM] Just broke grok3

[Gillian Densmore]

lol I just now broke it telling that (technically) the inside container of
a box is null or 0 and to find out just many ways you can divide that empty
space assuming it's  googol size it says:
Error.
I am a total rank novice when it comes maths. And even I know that you can
(eventually) figure that much out.
Ah well

On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 7:45 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:

> I finally stopped Grok3 after 2 hours. It promptly denied computing for
> that amount of time±claiming a "glitch in the matrix." It also forgot,
> "does not find an record of," my question. Buggy indeed, else I just spent
> a ton of Elon's money.
>
> davew
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> On Sun, May 4, 2025, at 6:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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> Mechanically, Grok seems kind of buggy to me.  One thing that might be
> happening is that it has hit a run time limit for the account's
> subscription (or the absence of one) and fails to get that message back to
> the user because somewhere in its internal conversation it was blocked.
>
> I do see Mr. Musk bragging about how good Grok is at “over eighteen”
> topics.  Well, that’s one way to stand out, I suppose.
>
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> Marcus
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> Claude Sonnet 3.7 with Extend Thinking
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> There's no contradiction in Quine's position when we examine it carefully.
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> What appears paradoxical actually reveals his nuanced understanding of how
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> language functions in scientific inquiry.
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> Quine distinguishes between two contexts:
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> In established scientific domains, conflating metaphor with fact is
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> dangerous because it can lead to category errors and conceptual confusion.
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> Here, precision matters.
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> At the "fringes" of science-where we encounter novel phenomena or
> unexplored
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> territories-metaphor becomes indispensable precisely because literal
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> language hasn't yet been developed for these domains.
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> The key insight is that metaphors serve as temporary scaffolding. They help
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> scientists conceptualize unfamiliar territory and develop initial
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> hypotheses. However, as understanding advances, these metaphors should
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> either be refined into more precise literal descriptions or explicitly
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> recognized as metaphorical.
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> This view aligns with Quine's naturalism and empiricism. He acknowledges
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> that all language, including scientific language, begins with the
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> metaphorical extension of familiar terms to new domains. The crucial point
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> is that we remain conscious of when we're using metaphor and don't mistake
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> the map for the territory.
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> Rather than contradicting himself, Quine is highlighting the tension
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> inherent in scientific language-we need metaphors to advance knowledge
> while
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> simultaneously maintaining vigilance against their limitations.
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> Gemini Advanced 2.5 Pro:
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
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> Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2025 3:02 PM
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> To: friam at redfish.com
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> Subject: [FRIAM] Just broke grok3
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> Query: Quine warns against conflating metaphor and fact but also states
> that
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> metaphor is essential at the fringes of science. Is there a contradiction
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> here?
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> 30 minutes, still no response.
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> Davew
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