[FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees

Fri May 23 00:10:34 EDT 2025

After the public showdown, focus naturally shifted to the private
discussions that followed. For President Ramaphosa’s take on these talks,
watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5OH0oJMUOY.

Overall, I’m very pleased with the outcome of his visit to Trump.

On Fri, 23 May 2025 at 01:40, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Anthropic’s less-advanced Haiku model should be adequate for these easy
> questions.
>
>
>
> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Sarbajit Roy <
> sroy.mb at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, May 22, 2025 at 4:24 PM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees
>
> I queried Claude 4 with a question about whether or not Donald Trump was a
> white supremacist himself based on information in the public domain.
>
> This is the reply after a wee bit of prompting
>
> Based on three public domain sources (Amnesty International, SPLC, and The
> Nation), the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Trump
> functions as a white supremacist leader, whether by conviction or
> calculated strategy.
>
> *Comprehensive Assessment Combining All Sources:*
>
> *1. Systematic White Supremacist Support (The Nation)* The Nation
> provides crucial historical context showing Trump has been the unanimous
> choice of America's white supremacist movement since 2016:
>
>    - *Universal endorsement* from "just about every self-declared white
>    nationalist, white supremacist, Klansman, neo-Nazi, and fascist"
>    - *David Duke's explicit support*: Called voting against Trump
>    "treason to your heritage"
>    - *Richard Spencer's celebration*: "Hail Trump, hail our people, hail
>    victory!" with Nazi salutes
>    - *Proud Boys directive*: "Stand back and stand by" - not stand down
>
> *2. Policy Implementation of White Supremacist Agenda (Amnesty)* Amnesty
> documents systematic policy changes that "reinforce white supremacy":
>
>    - Dismantling civil rights infrastructure through DEI elimination
>    - Attacking birthright citizenship to limit who can "claim belonging"
>    - Pardoning white supremacist groups while targeting racial justice
>    advocates
>    - Described as "coordinated effort to reassert white supremacy through
>    policy and power"
>
> *3. Personnel Appointments Reveal True Intent (SPLC)* SPLC shows Trump
> isn't just tolerating racism but "actively embracing" it through
> appointments:
>
>    - *Stephen Miller*: Shared white nationalist literature, promoted
>    racist novels
>    - *Darren Beattie*: Advocates eugenic sterilization, calls diversity
>    "a war crime"
>    - *Joe Kent*: Paid Proud Boys consultants, maintained white
>    nationalist ties
>    - SPLC conclusion: Administration is "giving real political power to
>    people who actively embrace" white supremacist ideas
>
> *4. Ideological Alignment (All Sources)* The Nation reveals Trump's core
> worldview aligns with white supremacist beliefs:
>
>    - Claims "anti-white racism" is America's real problem
>    - Describes immigrants as taking "black jobs" and "Hispanic jobs"
>    (implying racial job hierarchies)
>    - Views Black communities only through dysfunction and criminality
>    - 58% of his supporters believe "racial minorities" are favored over
>    whites
>
> *5. The Gaslighting Pattern (The Nation)* Despite claiming "I don't have
> a racist bone in my body," Trump:
>
>    - Never explains why he's the "favorite son" of avowed racists
>    - Maintains support from people who "unabashedly support him"
>    precisely because of his racism
>    - Uses the "Black friends" defense while implementing policies that
>    harm Black communities
>
> *Final Conclusion:* The combined evidence from these three sources
> demonstrates that Trump operates as a functional white supremacist leader
> through:
>
>    - *Universal support* from white supremacist movements (The Nation)
>    - *Systematic policy implementation* of white supremacist goals
>    (Amnesty)
>    - *Strategic personnel appointments* of white supremacist allies (SPLC)
>    - *Ideological messaging* that reinforces white racial hierarchy (All
>    sources)
>
> Whether Trump personally holds these beliefs or cynically exploits them
> becomes irrelevant when the practical effect is the same: the systematic
> advancement of white supremacist objectives through the highest office in
> America. As The Nation notes, his "racist worldview manifests itself at
> every turn," making him functionally indistinguishable from an ideological
> white supremacist in terms of real-world impact.
>
>
> https://www.amnestyusa.org/blog/president-trumps-first-week-begins-with-rollout-of-white-supremacist-policies-and-pardons/
>
>
> https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/bigoted-beliefs-racist-ties-found-among-president-trumps-appointees/
>
>
> https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dont-believe-trump-when-he-claims-hes-not-racist/
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 12:51 AM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Pieter wrote:
>
> > I'm an Afrikaner living on a farm in South Africa. I recently came
> > across some of the claims circulating—especially from the Trump
> > camp—about how dire things supposedly are for white Afrikaner farmers
> > here.
> > Just to set the record straight: I don't identify with that narrative.
> > Personally, I live very happily on the farm. I don’t farm — I'm here
> > for the lifestyle, not agriculture — and to me, it honestly feels like
> > paradise. I don’t feel threatened at all.
> > Of course, not all white farmers in South Africa have the same
> > experience. Some do face real challenges, and discrimination does
> > exist. But the situation is complex, and like in every society, there
> > are both positives and negatives. No country is perfect.
> > I just wanted to say: yes, I’m a white Afrikaner living on a farm in
> > South Africa—but I’m not one of those Trump talks about. For me, this
> > is the best place on earth.
>
> Trump's behaviour was totally on-brand with his "negotiation" tactics:
> Bully mercilessly, then back off and pretend you are doing your
> victim/mark a favor?
>
> I do believe someone (tucker carlson, elno, stephen miller, steve
> bannon, ???)  "got to him" to believe the specifics of this, but also
> that he was entirely primed and ready for it.  Remember his complaint in
> his first term about "all the S-hole countries" and "why don't we accept
> more immigrants from good countries like Norway"?  Hard to believe Musk
> doesn't know better... that the "evidence" Trump confronted Ramaphosa
> with was not just wrongheaded but also wrong?  But it all must support
> one of his agendas, maybe just keeping Trump worked up about things?
>
> In the backdrop of the Gaza/Palestinian atrocities, this whole thing was
> an empty farce.  But half the US probably hung on his every word.
>
> I appreciate your offering your own personal parallax on this...  I am
> glad your national representatives managed to avoid a total disaster...
> one can hope the spotlight moves on to some other unfortunately target
> for MAGA's "grievance politics"?
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