[FRIAM] mental imagery

[Eric Charles]

"no objective, just intersubjective."

Well... Peirce would certainly be onboard with that, with just one caveat.

He would point out that sometimes the intersubjective seems to converge on
agreement among those who care to pursue a line of inquiry, and other times
the inquiry diverges and the apparent target of inquiry seems to
dissipate... and that if "objective", "truth", or related words, have any
useful meaning, it is to refer to those instances in which, at least for
the time being, convergence seems to be winning.

And he would fully acknowledge the risk of the problem-of-induction, in
such cases... with the primary point being that there is nothing else we
could rightly be using "objective" to refer to, beyond our sense that a
certain target-of-inquiry seems likely (to us) to stay converged.
<echarles at american.edu>


On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 3:52 PM Russell Standish <lists at hpcoders.com.au>
wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 08:31:50PM -0500, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> > Hi, Glen,
> >
> > As usual, I have launched myself into alien territory without a pass
> port.  I
> > cannot follow the analysis stuff, but allow me to comment on
> objectivity.  I
> > dont think it has anything to do with physiiological correlates-=-
> that's just
> > icing on the cake.  Do you get migraine auras?  Lets imagine for a
> moment that
> > migraine auras had absolutely no physiological correlates.  How would we
> go
> > about doing science on them?  Or are they a subjective phenomenon.  That
> would
> > be odd because already we seem to be talking about them. they seem to be
> on the
> > face, intersubjective.  I wonder what the difference is between
> intersubjective
> > and objective?
>
> According to some, no difference at all. I belong to the school of
> thought that there is no objective, just intersubjective.
>
>
> --
>
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