[FRIAM] An alternative for super massive black holes

Tue Feb 24 17:43:04 EST 2026

I don't think the point is to get rid of event horizons, but rather to
get rid of singularities.

I read there are a number of "new physics" ideas for preventing a
singularity, such as gravastars. What I was harumphing about was the
idea that a fermionic ball will do the job - that is known physics.

Cheers

On Tue, Feb 24, 2026 at 05:27:52PM -0500, Santafe wrote:
> I didn’t see Owen’s original post, and need to read the link.
> 
> But why do we want to avoid event horizons of super-massive black holes?  We now have rather nice models of colliding stellar-mass black holes, and I don’t think anything is going to get rid of those event horizons (or, as they are called locally, “apparent horizons”), because the standard Einstein equations are doing a beautiful job predicting the waveforms and now parts of the ringdown, to the point where they can invert to get rotation rates and spin axes relative to the orbital axis.
> 
> An event horizon is an event horizon.  Once you have them for stellar-mass BH, why would they be any worse or more to-avoid for galactic-center super-massive BHs?  They are among the most identical, scaled, versions of the same one thing.
> 
> ??
> 
> But, will read….
> 
> > On Feb 24, 2026, at 17:16, Russell Standish <lists at hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe a naive response, but isn't a star composed of compressed
> > fermionic particles otherwise known as a white dwarf? And if the
> > electrons and protons overcome Coulombic force to combine to form pure
> > neutronium (also fermionic particles), then its called a neutron
> > star? If I remember correctly from my astrophysics course some 4
> > decades ago.
> > 
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2026 at 09:35:46AM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote:
> >> The SMBH (Super Massive Black Hole) conjectured to be at the center of most
> >> galaxies may not be black holes, but a highly compressed cloud of fermionic
> >> particles. These particles are those like the electron that obey the exclusion
> >> principle, i.e. cannot have the same the same quantum state as their
> >> neighbors.  Abs Fab!!
> >> 
> >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.sci.news%2fastronomy%2f&c=E,1,Q4qUwJN-9ASkmROQmpY6JR4naMhtnmTxzb6rRpDsBQHmohNsDckooVAyZ5xnRloqvf9EM2l5XdHol_JPHfSZtupT2Lq9mmsA_xhpzxRhekghRwv9pYU,&typo=1
> >> milky-ways-compact-object-fermionic-dark-matter-14537.html
> >> 
> >> This, like the string theoretic version of black holes, gets rid of the
> >> singularity of classical black hole model. This is huge in that rather than an
> >> event horizon and a singularity at the center for black holes, and no structure
> >> in between, both string theory and the fermionic model have internal structure
> >> and can be applied by modern physics. Cool!
> > 
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