[FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax
Tom Johnson
tom at jtjohnson.com
Wed Apr 26 14:52:29 EDT 2017
Steve:
Have you looked into Stevia?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2
TJ
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
> I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall
> (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without the tax
> on the Reservation from a drive-through window?
>
> Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the *only*
> reliable source of sugar is (as recommended) pure, refined, white sugar,
> then I'll pay the tax (or ask my RMJ seeking friends to pick some bootleg
> white cane sugar up at a dispensary on the Colorado border).
>
> Or maybe I need to understand better why I can't get good results from
> less refined sugars or (OMG!) Honey. Or move on back to probiotics based
> on things I can grow myself (saurkraut, kimchee, kefir, etc.)?
>
> I don't like (Gub'Mint) regulation on principle but it might actually be a
> reductio-ad-absurdum argument against any/all of our myriad "well laid
> plans" brought to us by industry and commerce?
>
> A favorite duality: "A conspiracy theory, or just a good business plan?"
>
> Neo-Retro-Techno-Luddite,
>
> - Steve
>
> On 4/26/17 12:31 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>
> I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted the fact
> that the federal government can regulate vehicle mileage, require seat
> belt installation, testing of drugs for public consumption, etc., how come
> it can't regulate sugar (and sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the
> sugar lobby is stronger than car manufactures and Big Pharma?
>
> TJ
>
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> Tom Johnson
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> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM, George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better process for
>> public policy decision making (hey that was my career at Carnegie Mellon!),
>> the issue here for our own voting is whether we better off if this
>> initiative passes. I vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes.
>>
>> Also I cannot believe that a win for no will convince people towards
>> quality decision making...but rather that major corporate money must win in
>> the public arena.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM glen ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't work. And that
>>> data is colored/interpreted by everyone who sees it, like all data.
>>>
>>> And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We can focus on
>>> this part:
>>>
>>> "Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against good social
>>> science research, good public policy and administration, and full
>>> transparency of the people’s data."
>>>
>>> We've been over and over in several threads (that I'm sure seemed
>>> hijacked by the more linear amongst us) about _induction_ and the validity
>>> or soundness of the predicates it leads to. Way back when I worked at a
>>> healthcare informatics company, "evidence-based" was all the rage. Then a
>>> (small) group of debunkers finally realized and advocated a move from the
>>> concept of "evidence-based" to "science-based" (
>>> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/). Add
>>> to that that many of my colleagues in the social sciences tout
>>> evidence-based or science-based policy.
>>>
>>> I have some very deep reservations against such, with the same _flavor_
>>> as my objection to the idea that government should/can be run like a
>>> business. (Part of the rhetoric in favor of Trump.) Government is not,
>>> inherently, a scientific enterprise. It's an _engineering_ enterprise.
>>> And engineers don't really care about reality as it is. They care about
>>> reality as they intend it to be. Sure, good engineers take the intitial
>>> conditions into account. But whether the initial conditions have us on
>>> earth or mars doesn't matter that much. What matters is that we want to
>>> _go_ to Proxima Centauri.
>>>
>>> So, while I agree with the letter of the sentence above, I may disagree
>>> with the implication.
>>>
>>> FWIW, were I still in Santa Fe, I'd vote "yes".
>>>
>>> On 04/26/2017 09:57 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>>> > I agree anecdotally residents of NM need help with education and
>>> health.
>>> > I am skeptical a tax on basically fake food,s and treats is a helpful
>>> way
>>> > to do that though.
>>> > Postive programs and tools might help more than yet another tax
>>> possibly
>>> > can.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ☣ glen
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