[FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax
Steven A Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Wed Apr 26 15:07:09 EDT 2017
Tom -
Sugar is the "fuel" for the symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast
(SCOBY) that metabolizes into mostly acetic acid (vinegar) and alcohol
with small residual amounts of sugar (if you stop the brew early). The
macrobiotics are presumed to keep a healthy/happy gut flora/fauna and
keep the immune system stimulated.
My experience with my own brew so far is that pure (cane) sugar is
preferred because it is most predictable... I think honey and fruit
juices are *least* preferred because of the unpredictability (from other
yeast/bacteria contamination). I haven't really experimented with my
brewing methods enough to know. Many choose to add Ginger, Honey, Fruit
Juice *after* the brew for enhanced flavor. I prefer mine straight up,
it isn't a bad beer (sans significant alcohol) for me.
Stevia (as you probably know) is just a hyper-sweet substance that fools
the taste-buds but not the metabolism of humans nor SCOBYs.
Meanwhile... I applaud your trying to help groom the legislative and
public discourse properties of our fine city as I do those who are
trying to groom the social/consumerist culture away from obviously
harmful things like high-sugar drinks and foodstuffs.
- Steve
-
> Steve:
> Have you looked into Stevia?
> http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2
>
> TJ
>
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> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com
> <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall
> (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without
> the tax on the Reservation from a drive-through window?
>
> Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the
> *only* reliable source of sugar is (as recommended) pure, refined,
> white sugar, then I'll pay the tax (or ask my RMJ seeking friends
> to pick some bootleg white cane sugar up at a dispensary on the
> Colorado border).
>
> Or maybe I need to understand better why I can't get good results
> from less refined sugars or (OMG!) Honey. Or move on back to
> probiotics based on things I can grow myself (saurkraut, kimchee,
> kefir, etc.)?
>
> I don't like (Gub'Mint) regulation on principle but it might
> actually be a reductio-ad-absurdum argument against any/all of our
> myriad "well laid plans" brought to us by industry and commerce?
>
> A favorite duality: "A conspiracy theory, or just a good business
> plan?"
>
> Neo-Retro-Techno-Luddite,
>
> - Steve
>
>
> On 4/26/17 12:31 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>> I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted
>> the fact that the federal government can regulate vehicle
>> mileage, //require seat belt installation, testing of drugs for
>> public consumption, etc., how come it can't regulate sugar (and
>> sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the sugar lobby is
>> stronger than car manufactures and Big Pharma?
>>
>> TJ
>>
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>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM, George Duncan
>> <gtduncan at gmail.com <mailto:gtduncan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better
>> process for public policy decision making (hey that was my
>> career at Carnegie Mellon!), the issue here for our own
>> voting is whether we better off if this initiative passes. I
>> vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes.
>>
>> Also I cannot believe that a win for no will convince people
>> towards quality decision making...but rather that major
>> corporate money must win in the public arena.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM glen ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't
>> work. And that data is colored/interpreted by everyone
>> who sees it, like all data.
>>
>> And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We
>> can focus on this part:
>>
>> "Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against
>> good social science research, good public policy and
>> administration, and full transparency of the people’s data."
>>
>> We've been over and over in several threads (that I'm
>> sure seemed hijacked by the more linear amongst us) about
>> _induction_ and the validity or soundness of the
>> predicates it leads to. Way back when I worked at a
>> healthcare informatics company, "evidence-based" was all
>> the rage. Then a (small) group of debunkers finally
>> realized and advocated a move from the concept of
>> "evidence-based" to "science-based"
>> (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/
>> <https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/>).
>> Add to that that many of my colleagues in the social
>> sciences tout evidence-based or science-based policy.
>>
>> I have some very deep reservations against such, with the
>> same _flavor_ as my objection to the idea that government
>> should/can be run like a business. (Part of the rhetoric
>> in favor of Trump.) Government is not, inherently, a
>> scientific enterprise. It's an _engineering_
>> enterprise. And engineers don't really care about
>> reality as it is. They care about reality as they intend
>> it to be. Sure, good engineers take the intitial
>> conditions into account. But whether the initial
>> conditions have us on earth or mars doesn't matter that
>> much. What matters is that we want to _go_ to Proxima
>> Centauri.
>>
>> So, while I agree with the letter of the sentence above,
>> I may disagree with the implication.
>>
>> FWIW, were I still in Santa Fe, I'd vote "yes".
>>
>> On 04/26/2017 09:57 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>> > I agree anecdotally residents of NM need help with
>> education and health.
>> > I am skeptical a tax on basically fake food,s and
>> treats is a helpful way
>> > to do that though.
>> > Postive programs and tools might help more than yet
>> another tax possibly
>> > can.
>>
>>
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>> ☣ glen
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