[FRIAM] Santa Fe's Sugar Tax
Tom Johnson
tom at jtjohnson.com
Wed Apr 26 16:52:20 EDT 2017
Got it. You have to buy the chemical, not the sweetener.
I think there's plenty for all of us to groom, plenty.
T.
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Tom Johnson
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Tom -
>
> Sugar is the "fuel" for the symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast
> (SCOBY) that metabolizes into mostly acetic acid (vinegar) and alcohol with
> small residual amounts of sugar (if you stop the brew early). The
> macrobiotics are presumed to keep a healthy/happy gut flora/fauna and keep
> the immune system stimulated.
>
> My experience with my own brew so far is that pure (cane) sugar is
> preferred because it is most predictable... I think honey and fruit juices
> are *least* preferred because of the unpredictability (from other
> yeast/bacteria contamination). I haven't really experimented with my
> brewing methods enough to know. Many choose to add Ginger, Honey, Fruit
> Juice *after* the brew for enhanced flavor. I prefer mine straight up, it
> isn't a bad beer (sans significant alcohol) for me.
>
> Stevia (as you probably know) is just a hyper-sweet substance that fools
> the taste-buds but not the metabolism of humans nor SCOBYs.
>
> Meanwhile... I applaud your trying to help groom the legislative and
> public discourse properties of our fine city as I do those who are trying
> to groom the social/consumerist culture away from obviously harmful things
> like high-sugar drinks and foodstuffs.
>
> - Steve
> -
>
> Steve:
> Have you looked into Stevia?
> http://www.webmd.com/diet/stevia-sugar-substitutes#1-2
>
> TJ
>
>
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> Tom Johnson
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> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Sugar is the new Tobacco on many fronts... it WILL fall
>> (somewhat), albeit slowly. And we will be able to get it without the tax
>> on the Reservation from a drive-through window?
>>
>> Meanwhile I need to start a fresh batch of Kombucha and if the *only*
>> reliable source of sugar is (as recommended) pure, refined, white sugar,
>> then I'll pay the tax (or ask my RMJ seeking friends to pick some bootleg
>> white cane sugar up at a dispensary on the Colorado border).
>>
>> Or maybe I need to understand better why I can't get good results from
>> less refined sugars or (OMG!) Honey. Or move on back to probiotics based
>> on things I can grow myself (saurkraut, kimchee, kefir, etc.)?
>>
>> I don't like (Gub'Mint) regulation on principle but it might actually be
>> a reductio-ad-absurdum argument against any/all of our myriad "well laid
>> plans" brought to us by industry and commerce?
>>
>> A favorite duality: "A conspiracy theory, or just a good business plan?"
>>
>> Neo-Retro-Techno-Luddite,
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> On 4/26/17 12:31 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>>
>> I'm wondering this morning, if the nation seems to have accepted the fact
>> that the federal government can regulate vehicle mileage, require seat
>> belt installation, testing of drugs for public consumption, etc., how come
>> it can't regulate sugar (and sodium?) in food and drink? Could it be the
>> sugar lobby is stronger than car manufactures and Big Pharma?
>>
>> TJ
>>
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>> Tom Johnson
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>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM, George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Much as I agree with Tom's analysis and wish for a better process for
>>> public policy decision making (hey that was my career at Carnegie Mellon!),
>>> the issue here for our own voting is whether we better off if this
>>> initiative passes. I vote yes. Indeed I have already voted yes.
>>>
>>> Also I cannot believe that a win for no will convince people towards
>>> quality decision making...but rather that major corporate money must win in
>>> the public arena.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM glen ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have a lot of data on whether sin taxes do or don't work. And that
>>>> data is colored/interpreted by everyone who sees it, like all data.
>>>>
>>>> And that brings me to my problem with Tom's argument. We can focus on
>>>> this part:
>>>>
>>>> "Voting on the measure is also a vote for or against good social
>>>> science research, good public policy and administration, and full
>>>> transparency of the people’s data."
>>>>
>>>> We've been over and over in several threads (that I'm sure seemed
>>>> hijacked by the more linear amongst us) about _induction_ and the validity
>>>> or soundness of the predicates it leads to. Way back when I worked at a
>>>> healthcare informatics company, "evidence-based" was all the rage. Then a
>>>> (small) group of debunkers finally realized and advocated a move from the
>>>> concept of "evidence-based" to "science-based" (
>>>> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/about-science-based-medicine/). Add
>>>> to that that many of my colleagues in the social sciences tout
>>>> evidence-based or science-based policy.
>>>>
>>>> I have some very deep reservations against such, with the same _flavor_
>>>> as my objection to the idea that government should/can be run like a
>>>> business. (Part of the rhetoric in favor of Trump.) Government is not,
>>>> inherently, a scientific enterprise. It's an _engineering_ enterprise.
>>>> And engineers don't really care about reality as it is. They care about
>>>> reality as they intend it to be. Sure, good engineers take the intitial
>>>> conditions into account. But whether the initial conditions have us on
>>>> earth or mars doesn't matter that much. What matters is that we want to
>>>> _go_ to Proxima Centauri.
>>>>
>>>> So, while I agree with the letter of the sentence above, I may disagree
>>>> with the implication.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, were I still in Santa Fe, I'd vote "yes".
>>>>
>>>> On 04/26/2017 09:57 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>>>> > I agree anecdotally residents of NM need help with education and
>>>> health.
>>>> > I am skeptical a tax on basically fake food,s and treats is a helpful
>>>> way
>>>> > to do that though.
>>>> > Postive programs and tools might help more than yet another tax
>>>> possibly
>>>> > can.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ☣ glen
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