[FRIAM] The apocalypse

Thu Aug 10 15:24:29 EDT 2017

While undoubtedly fun, all the speculation (dare I say hysteria without
sounding sexist?) about a Trump induced apocalypse is kind of far
fetched. Too many intermediaries twixt mouth, button, and detonation.
However, according to FEMA, the US Military, the Department of Energy,
and the CIA there IS a 100% chance of an existential threat occurring
within the next 10-20 years. Massive failure of the power grid.-- Iran, Russia, China, and probably North Korea already have malware
embedded in the system.-- Major transformers have no backup (they cost 10-100 million dollars,
take two years to build, and are almost all built in China)-- Deaths by day 5 of failure will reach the 100s of thousands, if
not millions.--  By day ten, there will be no economy and no effectual government.
-- One of the highest ranked scenarios for this to occur is North Korea
detonating a ship born nuke off the coast of Southern California - the
nuke tuned to generate a massive EMP. And, we know they have nukes
small enough to fit in a freighter. They can do this. Guam is absurd at
the present.
Interestingly, none of the government agencies that are certain this
event will occur within 20 years have any plans for how it will be
dealt with!
davew

 BTW, the grid has been a particular interest of mine since an
 acquaintance  caused the first major US blackout, in the early 70s,
 by toppling a few towers in the pacific northwest with a few sticks
 of dynamite.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> Budda nature, calm and a good ol' jedi  about now
> Aka cooler heads tend to prevail and do some awsome stuf.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:>> "I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones
>> to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky,
>> showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities.">> 

>> The best thing would be to have people in charge that don't freak out
>> at the slightest provocation.>> 

>> "Third, we must enhance our antimissile systems and other defenses,
>> and those of our allies, which need our reassurances more than ever.">> 

>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html>> 

>> 
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Owen Densmore
>> <owen at backspaces.net> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:26:46 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:*
>> Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse>>  
>> OK, what's tit for tat with the North Korea Guam threat:
>> 
>>> President Trump seemed to draw a red line Tuesday when he warned
>>> North Korea that continued threats against the United States would
>>> be met with “fire and fury like the world has never seen.” The next
>>> day, North Korea crossed it.>>> 
>>> Or at least it announced, in unusually specific terms, how it could.
>>> The country’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on
>>> Wednesday night issued a statement that said the North is “seriously
>>> examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through
>>> simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic
>>> ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major
>>> military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.”
>>> The statement, citing the North’s Strategic Rocket Forces head
>>> General Kim Rak Gyom, added that the plan would be finished by mid-
>>> August before going to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for approval.>>> 
>>> “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and
>>> only absolute force can work on him,” the general said, in apparent
>>> reference to Trump, whose ultimatum he described as a “load of
>>> nonsense.”>> 
>> I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones
>> to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky,
>> showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities.>> 
>>    -- Owen
>> 
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/north-korea-answers-trumps-vague-threats-with-specific-ones/536433/>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Gillian Densmore
>> <gil.densmore at gmail.com> wrote:>> 
>>> I (razzingly) suggest bad summer movies or  that somehow all the
>>> Doom will some freeze in place at the same time.>>> Perhaps we shall some how find a bunch of tribbles, zombies, a large
>>> rock in the sky, and dinso's all at the same time and that because
>>> of the Doom Metter the'll just stay their, thus no more doom can
>>> happen.>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net>
>>> wrote:>>>> 
>>>> I doubt that North Korea has the ability to hit a tiny island like
>>>> Guam in the Pacific, but it can without doubt destroy the 9 million
>>>> capital Seoul near the border with weapons bought from Russia or
>>>> China.>>>> 
>>>> The danger of a nuclear apocalypse is greatest when the world has
>>>> forgotten how dangerous these weapons of mass destruction are. Even
>>>> trying to model mutually assured destruction is useless with people
>>>> like Kim Jong-Un and Trump. How can he brag on Twitter about
>>>> nuclear weapons? WTF ?>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -J.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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