[FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

[Marcus Daniels]

Roger writes:


"And perhaps that's what we need, institutionalized cyber gang warfare."


I suppose one could target OSI layer 4 and below, but that amounts to various kinds of denial of service.  Crude.

On the other hand, high-level attacks are forms of what Glen said -- "humiliation and humor" amount to sophisticated trolling.  That requires a sustained effort by people that can afford to take the time and are reasonably good at modeling and manipulating people.   Labor intensive and expensive.


I would like to see some robust automated control systems.  To do that it is necessary to pressure Facebook and Twitter to participate.

I believe they are working on it and talking about reliable third parties to judge content.    I imagine natural language systems that detect well-known lies as instances of entries in a credible fact-checkers database.   Such systems would also be useful to tag jihadists and other people that are coming undone.  Of course, even if these systems exist and work perfectly, one has to assume that the audience doesn't want to be lied to.   So it is is, in the end, really cyber warfare.  Might makes right.


Marcus

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I think a ballistic vest would work as well as motorcycle gear for center of mass defense.  Dress it up for cos play and you'll have the replacement for pro wrestling and other prize fighting entertainments.

By the way, are we taking down the nascent alt-right-web yet?   They're going to reinvent the internet to route around the censorship, and I think this is going to be the first real cyber war.

And perhaps that's what we need, institutionalized cyber gang warfare.  As the Pallio tamed the neighborhood gang conflict in Siena into twice yearly anything goes horse races, take all this must do the right/wrong/good/evil/offensive thing energy and turn it into e-riots, or irl riots with cos play armor.

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On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:23 PM, gⅼеɳ <gepropella at gmail.com<mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not so sure.  If I had a pistol and were inclined to use it, my inclination would only go *up* if you tased the guy next to me ... or even looked like you were going to do so.  I think tasers might increase everyone's chances of being wounded or killed, rather than decreasing it.  My guess is it's flat-out better to let them beat on you than to take any offensive path at all.

On 08/17/2017 01:34 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Thus  tasers..  couple a set of them with a Prius's battery so that reload is not a problem.
> Then some body armor for the Prius.    On the high end, a Tesla Model S could just turn targets into smoke if need be.


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gⅼеɳ

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