[FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

Wed Jan 11 17:55:23 EST 2017

Steve,

Thanks for your very well-considered response! Very insightful.

Grant

On 1/11/17 9:34 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> Carter -
>
> I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion.
>
>     /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should
>     address these questions directly. Taking a determinist
>     consequentialist position allows us to do so more effectively. We
>     should blame and stigmatize people for conditions where blame and
>     stigma are the most useful methods for curing or preventing the
>     condition, and we should allow patients to seek treatment whenever
>     it is available and effective.
>     /
>
> Unfortunately It would appear that blame and stigma are not effective 
> with our president elect who is a brand, who is an empire, who is an 
> icon of narcissistic abuse of others.  I would also appear that he 
> would not accept, much less seek treatment.  I believe this is what 
> makes him "Teflon"... his complete denial (or unawareness) of there 
> being a problem.   "The right way, the wrong way, the Trump way" 
> prevails.  Our new "Narcissist in Chief" is about to take his throne, 
> and as long as he has many subjects to worship him, he will remain there.
>
> While "the Donald" IS the imminent delivery mechanism of our 
> (potentially devastating) undoing,  it is his myriad supporters from 
> many (expected and not) walks of life who might need treatment or 
> stigmatization.   The "elites" and "bleeding heart liberals"  would be 
> the ones under equal scrutiny about now, had "the Hillary" squeeked 
> into office he way the Donald did.
>
> I believe we are a nation (world) at risk of collapsing under our own 
> Neuroses.  I offer the Buddhist concept that we all see the world as 
> we choose to, roughly in one of the four categories: "World as 
> Battleground;  World as Trap;  World as Lover; World as Self".   I 
> have aligned myself modestly with the "elites and bleeding hearts" to 
> the extent that they tend to choose the latter 2 over the former and 
> avoid the "self righteous right" and "knee jerk conservatives" for 
> *their propensity* to frame everything as Battleground and Trap.  My 
> support of Hillary and Obama broke down where they lapsed too far into 
> Battleground/Trap.
>
> I hope that the "Million Woman March" coming up carries more of the 
> Lover/Self than the Battleground/Trap.  Women (and many others) have 
> good reason to see the Trump Ascendency as a Trap and a Call to Arms, 
> but I believe confrontation alone only propagates the problem.
>
> After a bad trauma, radical debridement or cauterization, even 
> amputation are often called for.  Ultimately it is the wound/surgery 
> aftercare and systemic support that returns the patient to vital 
> health.   The "make America Great Again" crowd do not nurture nor 
> support, it just isn't in their kit.  The nurturers of our culture 
> need to remain ready to do what we do as the self-limiting (but 
> possibly huge) damage comes to it's logical conclusion.
>
> Carry On,
>  - Steve
>>
>> http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/
>>
>> Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <jofr at cas-group.net 
>> <mailto:jofr at cas-group.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists
>>     here you might be interested too?
>>
>>     Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to
>>     be fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has
>>     not only become a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>>
>>     1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality
>>     disorder
>>     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>>     <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html>
>>
>>     2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive
>>     Internet troll
>>     https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump
>>     <https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump>
>>
>>     3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
>>     http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>>     <http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/>
>>
>>     All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to
>>     be fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows
>>     a clear need for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him,
>>     which is obviously some form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly
>>     more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep personality
>>     disorder is not harmless at all.
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias>
>>
>>     The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings
>>     now, as the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US
>>     has about 2000 nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a
>>     soldier with the nuclear football following the president at all
>>     times. What could go wrong?
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football>
>>
>>     -Jochen
>>
>>
>>
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