[FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

[Eric Charles]

But Frank.... doesn't it normally go a bit more like this:

Why is my husband unable to breathe and coughs all the time?

I hypothesize that he has pneumonia - a chest x-ray is a cheap and fairly
reliable test of that hypothesis.

Then let's do a chest x-ray!

Well ma'am, the x-ray shows white lumps, supporting the hypothesis.
Pneumonia is often caused by a bacterial infection, and because you say he
didn't have a cold previously, I think that is the case here. We can test
that hypothesis with the administration of certain antibiotics.

Then let's get those antibiotics!

Well ma'am, I see that after taking the antibiotics, the white lumps,
difficulty breathing, and coughs resolved. Based on that, I feel confident
that my hypothesis was correct, and that your husband's pneumonia is now
cured.

Wait a minute. How do you know he had pneumonia?

I don't really. But the antibiotics seem to have helped, and that leads me
both to have confidence in my original hypothesis and, ironically, to not
really care that much about the hypothesis.  All that really matters is
that your husband is better, and that I am likely to give antibiotics again
if I meet someone that presents in the same manner.

Oh.

P.S. See also Nick's paper, for quite different issues. Nick is interested
fundamental issues regarding what gets to count as an explanation. But note
that the discussion above any causality is quite different than in the
prior anecdotes. In this case, taking-an-xray explains why we are looking
at images of white lumps, and taking-antibiotics explains why the symptoms
resolved. It matters not a bit if the entity referred to as pneumonia is
"real", if it is mere "symptomology" or a viable "causal" agent responsible
for the original difficulties, etc. Not that those are not interesting
questions, just that they are (potentially) irrelevant to this particular
interaction.



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Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps
<echarles at american.edu>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why is my husband unable to breathe and coughs all the time?  And what is
> this large white area on his chest x-ray?
>
> He has lung cancer.
>
> How do you know?
>
> Because he has difficulty breathing, he coughs constantly, and he has a
> positive chest x-ray.
>
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> wimberly3 at gmail.com     wimberly at cal.berkeley.edu
> Phone:  (505) 995-8715      Cell:  (505) 670-9918
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:32 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
>
>
> I found this opinion refreshing:
>
> Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the President-Elect
>
> http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2017/01/16/narcissistic-
> personality-disorder-and-the-president-elect/
>
> I particularly liked the (strawman) circularity caricatured by conflating
> phenomenology with ontology:
>
> > Wife: Why is my husband so self-important; why does he have such a sense
> of entitlement?
> > Psychiatrist: Because he has an illness called narcissistic personality
> disorder.
> > Wife: How do you know he has this illness?
> > Psychiatrist: Because he is so self-important and has such a sense of
> entitlement.
>
> But, personally, seeing [gag] Trump as the epitome of everything that's
> wrong with our culture, I can sympathize with the idea of using whatever
> tool we might have available to _demonstrate_ to others how thoroughly
> unable the man is to fill the role of President.  But we should be careful
> not to abandon our own principles in the process.
>
> --
> ☣ glen
>
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