[FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
Nick Thompson
nickthompson at earthlink.net
Fri Jul 28 01:01:59 EDT 2017
Thanks for your concern, Dean. Don’t have a heart attack in Maine in the summer, if you can avoid it. Apparently, Maine beds are full of vacationing stock-brokers from NYC Took a week from the day of the attack, lying about in hospital beds, to find a surgical bed at the I begged to be ambulanced to Massachusetts at my own expense, but apparently there was a shortage of ambulances willing to go out of state, and nobody would guarantee the stability of my heart in an ordinary vehicle. If I had been a live lobster, I could have been in Boston in six hours. Anyway, bypass ten days ago, driven back to MA three days ago by my son and wife, doing rehab at my house for the moment.
Funny stories to tell. You know how they tell you might have hallucinations as your body sheds the anesthetic. Boy Howdy! I never knew I had the makings of a modernist painter.
Everybody extraordinarily kind. One day, I decided to count the number of different professionals who came into my room to do this and that in a single day and gave up at sixty. And remember I was sleeping much of the day. Some really interesting, and all with patience and humor. And I rarely saw the same person any two days running. Such an extraordinary demonstration of the power of coordination via computers.
Keep up your good work.
Faithfully yours,
Nicholas S. Thompson
01/29/1938
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
<http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Dean Gerber
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:39 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
Nick--
Are you OK? Many of us are concerned about each other over the effects of age, and we are concerned about you. What does "laid up" mean? Feel free to keep that private if you wish. But, we are concerned.
Best wishes,
Dean
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 11:17:04 PM CDT, Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net> > wrote:
I loved it. metaphors or no.
I am laid up, right now, and so won’t have much to say for a bit.
Keep up the good work, you guys.
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
<http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:17 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
Thanks, Steve. The metaphor allusion was a not very humorous way to make the pointer to my little book allegedly relevant. As Nick pointed out, the title itself is a metaphor. The dictionary definition of "legacy" mentions money or other posessions which are left in a bequest. There are some phrases in the text which are unambiguously metaphors.
I would be very interested in feedback about the book. Not because I expect to improve it but just because... Nick says that his father, a publisher, always said, "You should only become a writer if you can't do anything else".
I think he was talking about earning prospects.
It's interesting that the Android mail editor won't let me punctuate the quote correctly.
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918
On Jul 24, 2017 8:36 PM, "Steve" <sasmyth at swcp.com <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com> > wrote:
I just ordered my copy yesterday.
It IS conceivable that you avoided all use of literary metaphor.
In this very sentence I used at least 2 conceptual metaphors.
Nick might only acknowledge literary metaphors?
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> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:42 PM, "Frank Wimberly" <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> There have been no entries in the competition to find a metaphor in this book:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/New-Mexico-Legacy-Frank-Wimberly/dp/1548003360
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> By the way, the title doesn't count.
>
> Frank
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> Frank C. Wimberly
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> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Vladimyr
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:02 PM
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> Glen,
>
> I already use AutoHotKey Script to run Code in Maple Math and Dump .txt vertex data embedded in Processing 3 code (some Java offshoot) The autoHotKey assembles the hundreds of images and 3D objects into ordered sets and then runs MovieMaker to produce video .wmv, which you have seen already.
>
> It was my intention to convert the functional routines from Maple directly into Processing and share that code widely.
> But few people other than web artists use Processing and it does not seem able to run on a web site. I guess this is a general problem or short coming.
>
> Processing graphics are fast and surprisingly good, better than I am used to elsewhere.
> I will try and write the Processing version of the Maple guts and get it out but it may take sometime and others will have to install the Processing engine which is free but sort of clunky to set up.
>
> There are a number of issues that all this cross talk introduces such as while Processing does crank out 3D object files readily accepted by 3D printers.
> But it handles colors strangely and seems unable to mix these objects with solid primitives during object creation. A task probably better suited to CAD packages.
>
> If this is done you will probably by amazed at all the useless junk that pours out at the far end. Like my undergrads trying to build a toboggan out of concrete.
>
> One issue I see is that the more removed the operator the less incentive he will have to connect his actions to the distant outcome.
> There was a profound moment in my memory when you and Nick , I think, dabbled with misinterpretation vs premature registration...
> I noticed that from the video I had a choice to imagine a squiggly line, a worm, a leaf or a set of leaves with a flower if I waited a bit longer. I thought of the process as a series of unfolding Emergence events passing by very quickly and soon forgotten when the last was accepted.
>
> Perhaps we jump through Metaphoric fiery rings till we think we understand.
> Thank-you again for the suggestions.
> I worry a bit about keeping this process as easy and transparent as possible, avoiding Python or Anaconda's.
> inSilico Ecology as an idea has startling possibilities. Energy flow will make that possible I think. But just where do I start...Hmmm
>
> vladimyr
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> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of glen ?
> Sent: July-19-17 11:17 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
>
>
> If the forum expresses irritation, then we can take it offline. Otherwise, I will treat them like I like to be treated ... voyeurism can be a good thing. 8^)
>
> Rather than (or in addition to) using pseudo-random number generators, do something like:
>
> 1) https://api.random.org/guidelines,
> 2) use other numbers, like the number of hits you get when you google something (e.g. a source code function),
> 3) invoke a script engine and allow me to place some scripted functions on a website that you import and execute,
> 4) pass along some subset of the functions you're using, perhaps in pseudo-code, so that we can modify or suggest different ones that you then incorporate.
>
> Of these (3) is the most interesting to me. But even (4) would be cool.
>
>> On 07/18/2017 05:19 PM, Vladimyr wrote:
>> I intentionally left openings in the code that should allow independent operators even AI to attempt to generate some structures to prove that very few shapes are recognizable.
>> [...]
>> If you have any more suggestions on removing myself from the process please advise. Perhaps directly so as not to clutter the forum.
>> I will soon attempt to use random number generators.
>> [...]
>
> --
> ☣ glen
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