[FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
Steven A Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Fri Jul 28 01:50:41 EDT 2017
Nick!
Thanks for sharing your status and good news (well, relatively?). I'm
glad Dean had the forwardness to ask the "obvious question".
Keep up the recovery!
- Steve
On 7/27/17 11:01 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> Thanks for your concern, Dean. Don’t have a heart attack in Maine in
> the summer, if you can avoid it. Apparently, Maine beds are full of
> vacationing stock-brokers from NYC Took a week from the day of the
> attack, lying about in hospital beds, to find a surgical bed at the I
> begged to be ambulanced to Massachusetts at my own expense, but
> apparently there was a shortage of ambulances willing to go out of
> state, and nobody would guarantee the stability of my heart in an
> ordinary vehicle. If I had been a live lobster, I could have been in
> Boston in six hours. Anyway, bypass ten days ago, driven back to MA
> three days ago by my son and wife, doing rehab at my house for the
> moment.
>
> Funny stories to tell. You know how they tell you might have
> hallucinations as your body sheds the anesthetic. Boy Howdy! I never
> knew I had the makings of a modernist painter.
>
> Everybody extraordinarily kind. One day, I decided to count the
> number of different professionals who came into my room to do this and
> that in a single day and gave up at sixty. And remember I was
> sleeping much of the day. Some really interesting, and all with
> patience and humor. And I rarely saw the same person any two days
> running. Such an extraordinary demonstration of the power of
> coordination via computers.
>
> Keep up your good work.
>
> Faithfully yours,
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> 01/29/1938
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Dean Gerber
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:39 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
>
> Nick--
>
> Are you OK? Many of us are concerned about each other over the
> effects of age, and we are concerned about you. What does "laid up"
> mean? Feel free to keep that private if you wish. But, we are concerned.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dean
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 11:17:04 PM CDT, Nick Thompson
> <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
> I loved it. metaphors or no.
>
> I am laid up, right now, and so won’t have much to say for a bit.
>
> Keep up the good work, you guys.
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>
> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 11:17 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
>
> Thanks, Steve. The metaphor allusion was a not very humorous way to
> make the pointer to my little book allegedly relevant. As Nick
> pointed out, the title itself is a metaphor. The dictionary definition
> of "legacy" mentions money or other posessions which are left in a
> bequest. There are some phrases in the text which are unambiguously
> metaphors.
>
> I would be very interested in feedback about the book. Not because I
> expect to improve it but just because... Nick says that his father,
> a publisher, always said, "You should only become a writer if you
> can't do anything else".
>
> I think he was talking about earning prospects.
>
> It's interesting that the Android mail editor won't let me punctuate
> the quote correctly.
>
> Frank Wimberly
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 8:36 PM, "Steve" <sasmyth at swcp.com
> <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> I just ordered my copy yesterday.
>
> It IS conceivable that you avoided all use of literary metaphor.
>
> In this very sentence I used at least 2 conceptual metaphors.
>
> Nick might only acknowledge literary metaphors?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:42 PM, "Frank Wimberly"
> <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > There have been no entries in the competition to find a metaphor
> in this book:
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/New-Mexico-Legacy-Frank-Wimberly/dp/1548003360
> >
> > By the way, the title doesn't count.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > Frank C. Wimberly
> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz
> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> > wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wimberly at cal.berkeley.edu <mailto:wimberly at cal.berkeley.edu>
> > Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>] On Behalf Of Vladimyr
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:02 PM
> > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
> >
> > Glen,
> >
> > I already use AutoHotKey Script to run Code in Maple Math and
> Dump .txt vertex data embedded in Processing 3 code (some Java
> offshoot) The autoHotKey assembles the hundreds of images and 3D
> objects into ordered sets and then runs MovieMaker to produce
> video .wmv, which you have seen already.
> >
> > It was my intention to convert the functional routines from
> Maple directly into Processing and share that code widely.
> > But few people other than web artists use Processing and it does
> not seem able to run on a web site. I guess this is a general
> problem or short coming.
> >
> > Processing graphics are fast and surprisingly good, better than
> I am used to elsewhere.
> > I will try and write the Processing version of the Maple guts
> and get it out but it may take sometime and others will have to
> install the Processing engine which is free but sort of clunky to
> set up.
> >
> > There are a number of issues that all this cross talk introduces
> such as while Processing does crank out 3D object files readily
> accepted by 3D printers.
> > But it handles colors strangely and seems unable to mix these
> objects with solid primitives during object creation. A task
> probably better suited to CAD packages.
> >
> > If this is done you will probably by amazed at all the useless
> junk that pours out at the far end. Like my undergrads trying to
> build a toboggan out of concrete.
> >
> > One issue I see is that the more removed the operator the less
> incentive he will have to connect his actions to the distant outcome.
> > There was a profound moment in my memory when you and Nick , I
> think, dabbled with misinterpretation vs premature registration...
> > I noticed that from the video I had a choice to imagine a
> squiggly line, a worm, a leaf or a set of leaves with a flower if
> I waited a bit longer. I thought of the process as a series of
> unfolding Emergence events passing by very quickly and soon
> forgotten when the last was accepted.
> >
> > Perhaps we jump through Metaphoric fiery rings till we think we
> understand.
> > Thank-you again for the suggestions.
> > I worry a bit about keeping this process as easy and transparent
> as possible, avoiding Python or Anaconda's.
> > inSilico Ecology as an idea has startling possibilities. Energy
> flow will make that possible I think. But just where do I start...Hmmm
> >
> > vladimyr
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>] On Behalf Of glen ?
> > Sent: July-19-17 11:17 AM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought
> >
> >
> > If the forum expresses irritation, then we can take it offline.
> Otherwise, I will treat them like I like to be treated ...
> voyeurism can be a good thing. 8^)
> >
> > Rather than (or in addition to) using pseudo-random number
> generators, do something like:
> >
> > 1) https://api.random.org/guidelines,
> > 2) use other numbers, like the number of hits you get when you
> google something (e.g. a source code function),
> > 3) invoke a script engine and allow me to place some scripted
> functions on a website that you import and execute,
> > 4) pass along some subset of the functions you're using, perhaps
> in pseudo-code, so that we can modify or suggest different ones
> that you then incorporate.
> >
> > Of these (3) is the most interesting to me. But even (4) would
> be cool.
> >
> >> On 07/18/2017 05:19 PM, Vladimyr wrote:
> >> I intentionally left openings in the code that should allow
> independent operators even AI to attempt to generate some
> structures to prove that very few shapes are recognizable.
> >> [...]
> >> If you have any more suggestions on removing myself from the
> process please advise. Perhaps directly so as not to clutter the
> forum.
> >> I will soon attempt to use random number generators.
> >> [...]
> >
> > --
> > ☣glen
> >
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