[FRIAM] Waterboarding a dead Horse in a Desert with no name.

[glen ☣]

On 06/15/2017 02:36 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
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> sure... we can call it premature registration by that measure but that undermines the utility of even having the concept of a *mis*registration as a possibility.   By your logic, any mis-registration I might make along the way is a pre-registration. As a fan of "late binding" in many contexts, I would agree that *all* registration risks being *pre* registration.


Not by _my_ logic! 8^)  I was using my inferences from your logic, those implied by "iteration is necessary for conversation".  My logic is that regitration is _not_ a process.  It's an atomic event, which allows there to be a distinction between premature and mis-registration.


> What I don't like about pre-registration is that i think I KNOW what it would have been if I had "jumped to a conclusion" rather than to have simply misunderstood your intention/context.   When YOU misunderstand me, I don't always suspect you of "jumping the gun", I sometimes recognize that we were not talking about the same thing, and it is likely that unless there was an obvious *mis*registration, the *mis*registration would have stood.  And of course, if we yapp on about it long enough and we come to understand what that misunderstanding was, we could (in hindsight now) *call* it premature registration...   but I think that is an artifact?


I'm  not a philosopher.  But I think registration is more primitive than language.  It happens instantaneously and organizes concepts, not words.  It happens a LOT, though, probably even spontaneously, without intention on the part of the person.  In this sense, the existence of premature registration assumes that we can be in an ambiguous (superposed?) state that doesn't resolve/collapse to an unambiguous state.  When I speak complete gibberish to you and end with an upward lilt, you _should_ be in an ambiguous state and not have collapsed to a registered state.  When I say something you immediately _understand_, then you have properly registered, even if you collapsed onto something I didn't intend.

So, pre-registration is a state of not having registered.  Mis-registered would be the situation where it was appropriate for you to collapse, but you collapsed to the "wrong" state.  Premature registration would be if you collapsed inappropriately ... i.e. too soon.  Late registration would be like giggling to a joke you heard 20 minutes ago.


> I didn't say that Iterative Discussion always lead to convergence. I only meant to imply that without iteration, any mis-registration of concept has to hold.


I know you didn't say that.  That's why I explained my inference to the consideration of monotonicity of the iteration.  Even if it is monotonic, the error could stay outside the error ball forever.  But that whole discussion ensued from _your_ idea that registration is a process, which I don't think it is.

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