[FRIAM] organizations

[Merle Lefkoff]

Hey, Roger.  Any ideas for how to recruit 18F for the Revolution?  We need
all the "inside disrupters" we can get!

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:

> I think you're overstating the hazard here.  For ordinary people, with
> ordinary management, attempting to complete an ordinary software project,
> let them scrum and they'll do better than they will with an ordinary tyrant
> micromanaging the project.  If you have a heroic software problem and a
> budget appropriate to the problem, then by all means bring in the big guns
> and do trial by technical criticism.  But even then, there are standards of
> conduct that are understood to apply.   Coming into the meetings like
> Donald Trump would make for an edgier debate than you're talking about, no?
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Two groups that start with the premise that the whole (a team) is more
>> than the sum of its parts and will FOREVER advocate social collaboration
>> tools and behavioral guidelines ad nauseam to make sure that the social but
>> otherwise ordinary team members will always be able to delay coherent
>> technical planning, or (worse!) edgy debates where any proposition could be
>> shown to be poorly motivated or false.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger
>> Critchlow
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:36 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] organizations
>>
>>
>>
>> I dunno, you think there's a connection between
>> diversity/intersectionality and agile design?  They always harp on hearing
>> the quiet voice that's telling the important truth.  Seems like agile's
>> main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they
>> can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is
>> true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more
>> complicated than necessary.  So you organize as a team of lemmings and
>> crowd source the design to death.
>>
>>
>>
>> When life gives you lemmings, scrum.  (Life is usually going to give you
>> lemmings.)
>>
>>
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> “It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what
>> they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together
>> with each other and their clients.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding
Saint Paul University
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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