[FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)

[Marcus Daniels]

The remarks of Carne Ross are worth a listen.  For example the linked interview with Bill Moyer's.   I haven't read his book.


He still can't seem to get away from the diplomacy thing because I'd summarize it as "You whiners should really take some responsibility for yourselves."


http://www.carneross.com/about


To the extent I disagree with him it is because people won't take responsibility.  So they get what they get, that's just the nature of things.


It's never been clear to me how the nonviolence thing is supposed to work.   As technology advances and if governmental controls weaken, the instruments of force will become easier to acquire.  It seems silly to think it won't be used even if 99% of the population won't support organizations that use it.


Marcus

________________________________
From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 4:37:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the arc of ai (was Re: Whew!)


So, how do they feel about policing the other self-described "anarchists"?  I.e. calling out groups like the black bloc as "outsiders" or whatnot?  If someone comes to me and says "I'm an anarchist", what choice do I have but to assume they're a violent idiot who would rather throw bricks through my window than tolerate a demonstrably effective bureacracy?


On 05/04/2017 12:13 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> They are "thoughtful anarchists" who do non-violent civil disobedience---the stuff people like "Earth First" used to do, when they were holding down the far left of the old environmental movement.  Some consider their actions"destructive" but they don't promote violence in their own ranks.  They know, however, that their provocations often provoke outsiders to respond with violence.

--
☣ glen

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20170505/09271788/attachment-0002.html>