[FRIAM] Whew!
Robert J. Cordingley
robert at cirrillian.com
Sun May 7 15:52:02 EDT 2017
Hi Owen
I saw this ad too and wondered what initiatives the Better Way folks had
in store for Pre-K?
... and where are the gray-haired? Perhaps your point.
Robert C
On 5/7/17 10:36 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Ya gotta love the City Different:
>
> Inline image 1
>
> The small print:
>
> Inline image 2
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Robert J. Cordingley
> <robert at cirrillian.com <mailto:robert at cirrillian.com>> wrote:
>
> Let me throw some things into this mix
>
> Some estimates (SFNewMexican
> <http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/voters-smack-down-mayor-s-beverage-tax-proposal/article_3971faf0-2f9c-11e7-8374-532a52cd354f.html>)
> suggest in total over $3.12 million was spent by both sides on the
> campaign while the expected cost of the Pre-K to be funded was
> $7.7million in the first year. Subsequent years ought to be less
> because facilities would already be in place.
>
> Some roughly 800 Pre-Ks (4 yr olds) would be included. That's
> ~$9,000/yr per child which sounds like a good deal based on
> Frank's numbers. Pre-K <> child-care btw. Some 160
> teachers+assistants+extended care providers would be needed to run
> a 5 day program for 40 classes of 20 students each (2
> teachers/class + 2 for extended day care).
>
> The Santa Fe Public Schools are expected to expand their free (to
> parents) Pre-K programs
> <http://www.sfps.info/cms/One.aspx?portalId=115105&pageId=150523>
> subject to legislative funding but I don't know details of when,
> probably never 'cos NM State budget is at an impasse.
>
> A possible but unconfirmed motivation for the Mayor's proposal was
> to get to a point where Pre-K would be indispensable and thus get
> sustainable funding and not have to depend on hopefully declining
> soda tax revenues.
>
> According to the New Mexican again
> <http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/half-truths-falsehoods-create-confusion-in-soda-tax-fight/article_68ac5a30-7159-5a1d-913a-a625dfa36e8d.html>,
> lemonade powder would be taxed on the made up quantity changing
> the price from something like $7/can to $28/can - bad 'optics'.
>
> Some claimed tourists might be big contributors to the soda-tax
> revenues anyway.
>
> Some people suggested they would buy sugary drinks in order to
> support Pre-K.
>
> Others suggested the beverage industry ('Big Soda') could not
> stand the idea that the soda-tax would be a seen as sin-tax and
> are trying desperately not to get it labelled as such.
>
> No-one on the for side in the campaign I saw made any suggestions
> on what folks should switch to to avoid the tax, e.g. flavored
> water, water, plain teas and coffees. The last being more
> profitable for businesses.
>
> Based on district voting the people most likely to benefit health
> wise voted against it. Sound familiar?
>
> It's claimed the for side didn't play up the health benefits
> enough in their campaign and that Big Soda came over as the local
> group while the the for side came over as elitist and out of state.
>
> If passed, lookout for Soda stands outside the city limits.
>
> So it all looks a little silly. I support both ideas tho' living
> in the county I couldn't vote.
>
> The questions remain: how to fund Pre-K and how to cut consumption
> of unhealthy sugary drinks? The against side said it should be
> funded from the 'surplus' the city has but there are legal
> restrictions on those funds apparently. The city has it's own
> component of Gross Receipts Tax (which is like a Sales Tax but
> applied more broadly).
>
> So what's the real problem and how do we fix it? The mayor is
> still looking for good ideas.
>
> Robert C
>
>
> On 5/3/17 9:43 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>
>> < $13-16k per year is a huge number. Does this include "child
>> care" .. i.e. taking care of the child for working parents? That
>> is a lot more expensive than "pre-school".>
>>
>> Doggy day care is about half that. If a dog has the intelligence
>> of a 2 year old, and pre-K child is 4, then a linear
>> extrapolation to an 18 year freshman’s day care (tuition) is
>> about $63k a year. Must be the complexity of the control system
>> that is required!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
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