[FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

[Roger Critchlow]

I guess the point is that politicians are guaranteed to try these lies out,
to the limit that their consciences (assuming there is one) allow, so you
have to keep shouting back at them that they lie, not only is it a lie,
it's a horrible lie which hurts these people this way and you should be
ashamed for saying it.

In the Peircian ecology of political ideas, the electorate (or someone)
must act as the conscience of politics, the politician flails around trying
to move the world away from the horrible things that already exist, and the
electorate tries to keep us from moving to places where even more horrible
things live.

But the further point I'm seeing is that you can't just stand there
saying:  "Liar".  You have to call out the lie and explain why the lie is a
horrible lie, one that will shame everyone who allows it to be repeated and
acted upon, and that it should never have been spoken in the first place,
and should never be spoken again.

But most of Trump's lies are too puerile to deserve that kind of response,
they deserve extended ridicule rather than righteous condemnation.

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
wrote:

> Roger writes:
>
>
> "The lies that bind political coalitions together, the art of the
> possible fiction which might be brought to horrible life, ... "
>
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> It is ugly, but it is irresponsible to pretend it could be otherwise.
>
>
> Marcus
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Roger Critchlow <
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 11:15:50 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about
> it)
>
> The lies that bind political coalitions together, the art of the possible
> fiction which might be brought to horrible life, ...
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, gⅼеɳ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But did the Mexican Repatriation also include things like rape, burning
>> villages, and indiscriminant execution?  I can imagine it did, but would
>> rather not believe it.
>>
>> It's still so jarring to me, given the cultural appropriation of Buddhism
>> in Western developed countries, to hear phrases like "nationalist
>> Buddhists" and such.  With Israel, I grew up with the contradiction of the
>> Jews I knew, who were entirely kind and intellectual, versus those
>> confiscating land from Arabs.  So, I've been exposed to that dissonance all
>> my life.  But my only exposure to Buddhism as a kid was through my CCD
>> teacher, who probably had a *very* stilted understanding.
>>
>> On 09/14/2017 06:31 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
>> > Right here in River City (well, mostly California, but throughout the
>> US) the 1930's "Mexican Repatriation Act" deported on the order of 1-2M US
>> Citizens because of their ethnicity (along with a smaller number of
>> non-Citizens more recently immigrated from Mexico), qualifying for our
>> modern definition of "ethnic cleansing".
>>
>> --
>> ☣ gⅼеɳ
>>
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