[FRIAM] On old question

[Prof David West]

Glen, I was trying very hard to be metaphorical and general and avoid addressing details, like the one you raise, that would require pages to discuss properly. But,  I would definitely and immediately concede that Rosen, in particular, recognizes and deals with, sometimes more cleverly than others, with the kind of qualitative differences I mention. But, even there, I would suggest that the foundations of his work are still primarily derived from "Entropic Sciences" and their concepts and formulations.

davew


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> So ... Rosen's openness to material flow, closure to operational flow, 
> allows *both* endo- and exothermic sub-systems.  But his (M,R)-systems 
> focus on maintaining organization using energy-material harvested from 
> the gradient, ignoring sub-systems that produce energy-material?
> 
> On 10/24/18 9:20 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that the questions you pose, and the ideas of people
> > like Rosen, arise from a failure to recognize the qualitative difference
> > among structures and therefore miss the essence of "organization."
> > This, in turn is largely attributable to the fact that we enjoy a highly
> > developed "science" of Entropy and Entropic Structuralism (Physics,
> > Chemistry, Astronomy, etc.) but almost no equivalent science of
> > Anentropy. Recombinant DNA and CRISPR are at the level  of alchemy in
> > this regard. Sociology, Anthropology, Psychology, Ecology, etc. are, at
> > best, aspiring to alchemy.
> > pretentiously yours,
> 
> 
> -- 
> ☣ uǝlƃ
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