[FRIAM] On old question

[glen]

I agree. Purpose imputation is fideistic. >8^D

On October 26, 2018 12:24:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>Call me old-fashioned.   I don't think it means anything to claim
>understanding of a system unless one can take it apart and put it back
>together; it is what design requires.  There are a lot of systems one
>can’t understand at that level, either because they don’t yield to
>reduction or because one is either not allowed or equipped to take a
>wrench to them.   With those systems, one can only play prediction
>games and ideas about function are just stories people tell themselves
>to keep from going mad!
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>On 10/26/18, 1:03 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣"
><friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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>Well, to be fair, Nick launched the thread with the meaning of
>"function" that includes teleology. And Rosen's whole shtick is an
>attempt to address what it means to leave purpose out of science.  But
>Rosen's formulation of anticipation does identify the temporal part of
>construction.  And he does it in a cool way by talking about how a
>system can "model" it's goal state ... so that vision of the goal state
>kindasorta simulates reverse causation where the (expectation of the)
>future guides the past.
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>I don't think that scaffolding relates to anticipation if it's created
>and maintained by *others*.  Anticipation is a kind of
>self-scaffolding, maybe.
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>    On 10/26/18 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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>> It seems like teleology has been introduced by the word
>/scaffolding/.  I'm not sure how that is useful unless it is just an
>observation that there are components that tend to be introduced
>earlier in the development of an organism.
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