[FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

[John Kennison]

Thanks Glen,


I will look into "Anticipatory Systems".--John

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FWIW, "Life Itself" is inadequate for me to read Rosen with any sympathy.  I would also recommend a copy of Anticipatory Systems.  E.g. o, Rosen seems to cite [†] this from von Neumann [‡]:

>> All these are very crude steps in the direction of a systematic theory of automata.  They represent, in addition, only one particular direction.  This is, as I indicated before, the direction towards forming a rigorous concept of what constitutes "complication."  They illustrate that "complication" on its lower levels is probably degenerative, that is, that every automaton that can produce other automata will only be able to produce less complicated ones.  There is, however, a certain minimum level where this degenerative characteristic ceases to be universal.  At this point automata which can re produce themselves, or even construct higher entities, become possible. This fact, that complication, as well as organization, below a certain minimum level is degenerative, and beyond that level can become self - supporting and even increasing, will clearly play an important role in any future theory of the subject.

[†] Rosen, "Anticipatory Systems", pp 321-322. Pergamon Press, 1985.
[‡] von Neumann, "The General and Logical Theory of Automata", p 318.  In Taub, "Collected Works".


On 10/30/18 6:27 AM, John Kennison wrote:
> I am going to wait until I receive my copy of Rosen's "Life Itself" which I ordered, and which is due art the end of this week. I want to take another look at what Rosen promised (or seemed to promise) and what he delivered.

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