[FRIAM] Abduction

Nick Thompson nickthompson at earthlink.net
Wed Jan 2 12:02:50 EST 2019


Dave,

I realize that you (and perhaps others of our colleagues here) are Dionysians, whereas I, always, have been a stalwart Apollonian. The difference, for me, is the risk one is willing to take for a peak experience of some sort.  Some people organize their lives around their vacations and holidays.  I hate holidays and vacations and organize my life around a steady diet of moderate pleasure.  If you see what I mean.  For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do for me.  Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?  

Nick  

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:05 AM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

MDMA risks = dehydration, in part because it is usually taken in the context of frenetic physical activity like at a rave. Disinhibition can pose a secondary risk because partner selection is less discerning. Like too many drugs, long term effects / gender different effects / age different effects, are unknown because unstudied.

davew


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> The premise of the series is that a drug + counseling is used to 
> mitigate PTSD symptoms, but in fact it ends-up deleting recent memories
> and was intended to make soldiers able to continue service.    
> 
> One might argue that accumulation of emotional trauma is part of one's 
> personality, and relieving it destroys part of a person.   One might 
> also argue that to have just one personality, developing on a 
> contiguous timeline, is a sort of arbitrary confinement -- like living 
> in a freezer that just keeps getting colder.
> 
> I don't know what the actual risks are of MDMA.  Alcohol's side effects, 
> in terms of impairment of judgement, are already pretty dangerous.   
> 
> Marcus
> 
> On 1/1/19, 7:23 PM, "Friam on behalf of glen" 
> <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking why psychedelics 
> are not prescribable? Or saying that their therapeutic effect is 
> negligible?
>     
>     FWIW, I haven't seen Homecoming.
>     
>     On January 1, 2019 11:28:28 AM PST, Marcus Daniels 
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>     >Watching Homecoming I found myself thinking, "Yes, so what's the 
> big
>     >deal?"
>     >
>     >On 12/31/18, 1:40 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣"
>     ><friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>     >
>     >    We're getting closer EVERY DAY!
>     >    
>     >      https://psi-2020.org/
>     >    
>     >    Oh, and if anyone needs a charity to toss some 2018 money at:
>     >    
>     >      https://maps.org/
>     >    
>     -- 
>     glen
>     
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