[FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian Lives

[Frank Wimberly]

Perhaps Marcus already said this or something like it.  You do dream you
just want to ignore that fact because it's inconsistent with your assertion
that minds don't exist.  Also, a dichotomy can be true if you exclude the
law of the excluded middle which constructivist mathematicians do and still
derive the integers and the rational numbers.

I am skeptical that Dave is Appolonian.

Frank

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:15 AM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net
wrote:

> Marcus,
>
> Well, if nothing is real, then dreams aren't real either, right.  So,
> that's a non-starter.  I don't think I am being absurd, but that's for
> others to judge.  I assume my brain does rem sleep like everybody else's,
> but one sure as hell can minimize or maximize the experience of dreaming.
> I know people who build their lives around dreaming, wake themselves up at
> night to write down their dreams, etc., etc.  They have a lot more
> experience of dreaming than I do.
>
> By the way:  how can a dichotomy be false?  I can see that it might be
> "narrowly useful" or "not useful for the following purposes <please
> state>".  But False.  What means "false" in this context?
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:41 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian Lives
>
> It's a false dichotomy.  An Apollonian can recognize that he or she needs
> food, just as well as they could recognize they need intellectual or
> spiritual sustenance.  And of course your brain will do the dreaming that
> is needed to keep you alive, even if you don't know about it or recognize
> its value.   I guess you are just being absurd?
>
> Did you ever see the movie Strange Days?    Why should I jump out of an
> airplane if I could just pump the same signals into my brain?   There's
> nothing real, after all.
>
> Marcus
>
> On 1/2/19, 10:19 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <
> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>     Yeah.  See.  That's just the point.  About 20 years ago, I decided
> that dreaming was a waste of time and I wouldn't do it anymore.  So I
> don't.
>
>     Dionysians and Apollonians are very different people.
>
>     Nick
>
>     Nicholas S. Thompson
>     Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>     Clark University
>     http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
> Daniels
>     Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:08 AM
>     To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
>     Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction
>
>     There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends
> to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at least
> for me.  A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with psychedelic
> phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system deactivation. (
>
>     On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <
> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>         For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do
> for me.  Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?
>
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