[FRIAM] FRIAM email delivery and reliability (was: Re: query and observation)

Sat Sep 14 23:38:52 EDT 2019

All, 

I told you He would deny it.  

But still, Almighy Guerin, I continue to believe in you.  When my mouth runneth over, 

Thou whilst shut me up.  Praised be the Guerin. 

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 2:26 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: [FRIAM] FRIAM email delivery and reliability (was: Re: query and observation)

As we speak, Dr. Strangelove may be painting the image of the Symposiarch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium#Drinking) regulating the flow. Or a kind of immanent Maxwellian Demon actively operating the email gate so that intellectual work can be extracted. Or as we're running on Majordomo listserv <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_(software)>  I think the acequia metaphor is best -- An all powerful Majordomo organizing annual fatiga parties <http://bloodhound.tripod.com/aceqglos.html>  to remove the neo-darwinist logic clogging up the acequia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acequia>  ;-p

Alas, we might employ Hanlon's Razor <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor>  to explain your lack of observed traffic. It may be a failing FRIAM listserv running on the back of a discount weary server we've been riding for 17+ plus years. Before switching mid stream, I'd ask Glen, Russell, Owen, Marcus, Josh, Frank and Gary to look at their email client history and see if there's missing emails since August when compared to the archives listed in the FRIAM signature <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> . If there's a significant discrepancy, we can start tracking down the cause.  Email delivery has many other places in the chain that can fail. If it's the server we can start looking for alternatives. FWIW, I haven't seen a disruption on my gmail client. 

Somewhat related: if folks post with an email that they didn't subscribe with, it automatically gets rejected. The listserv gets hit with 100's of spam addresses a day that aren't in the subscriber list. I stopped manually monitoring the rejection list 10 years ago. Many of you have given me alternative email addresses to put on the whitelist so you can post from different accounts. Email me offline if you want to add one.

- IAmWhoAm (AKA APF-O)

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 8:45 AM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net> > wrote:

Frank, Dave, 

Well I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been paying close attention, but …

I just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing from FRIAM from 24 August on.  

I have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like the wine pourer at a classical “symposium”,  more or less watering the wine to maintain the flow and quality of the conversation.  He won’t admit to it of course, but every once in a while He “shuts me off” from friam when He thinks I have become too … agitated?  I assume He is also gently modulating your contributions in the same way, as a beneficent god should.  I don’t know how He gets the time to do it, but nothing else could possibly explain the fact that sometimes our emails just go missing for a while.  So, I didn’t get alarmed when I stopped receiving FRIAM correspondence in late August.  I just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was giving me a rest.  

Thank you APF-O.  We love you and worship you.  

Nick 

Ps.  Let me know if you don’t get this message.  (};-\)

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] query and observation

Dave,

The Friam list remains as you can see but is sort of a trickle.  I posted a couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview and something I can't remember but they weren't up to the high intellectual standard which engages you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et al.  Glen did comment insightfully.  Nick will be back in Santa Fe soon; maybe the change in location will stimulate him.

Frank

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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm <mailto:profwest at fastmail.fm> > wrote:

Hello All,

Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not making it across the Atlantic.?

Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book, The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis is that what we perceive is but a constructed, via evolution,  "interface" and not a veridical perception of "Reality." 

Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones that see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is interesting.

Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer, and even some Peirce,  and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,: "interpretation," and "experience."  Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism convictions might be illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition.

dave west

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