[FRIAM] FRIAM email delivery and reliability (was: Re: query and observation)

[Steven A Smith]

Touche' APF-O standin McGuerin!  

I know that ole Doc Strangelove has been very quiet for some time.  

Your Symposiarch would seem to be a good stand in for a D&D master and
the threads on this list not unlike Zingale's aforementioned D&D campaigns.

I do sense burps in the list myself (usually as a response to a quote of
a post I haven't seen).   Sometimes posts come in (mildly) out of
order.    With the archives at fingertip I never worry much about it,
and to the extent FriAM is much more sport than anything I don't worry
much anyway!  I get the distinct impression that others experience a
different sieve than I do, but perhaps not a much more ambitious one.

I would accuse Nick of being the Maxwell Demon (more appropriately
Daemon?) based on the description as trying to extract intellectual work.  

On 9/14/19 12:25 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
> As we speak, Dr. Strangelove may be painting the image of the
> Symposiarch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium#Drinking)
> regulating the flow. Or a kind of immanent Maxwellian Demon actively
> operating the email gate so that intellectual work can be extracted.
> Or as we're running on Majordomo listserv
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_(software)> I think the
> acequia metaphor is best -- An all powerful Majordomo organizing
> annual fatiga parties <http://bloodhound.tripod.com/aceqglos.html> to
> remove the neo-darwinist logic clogging up the acequia
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acequia> ;-p
>
> Alas, we might employ Hanlon's Razor
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor> to explain your lack
> of observed traffic. It may be a failing FRIAM listserv running on the
> back of a discount weary server we've been riding for 17+ plus years.
> Before switching mid stream, I'd ask Glen, Russell, Owen, Marcus,
> Josh, Frank and Gary to look at their email client history and see if
> there's missing emails since August when compared to the archives
> listed in the FRIAM signature <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/>. If
> there's a significant discrepancy, we can start tracking down the
> cause.  Email delivery has many other places in the chain that can
> fail. If it's the server we can start looking for alternatives. FWIW,
> I haven't seen a disruption on my gmail client. 
>
> Somewhat related: if folks post with an email that they didn't
> subscribe with, it automatically gets rejected. The listserv gets hit
> with 100's of spam addresses a day that aren't in the subscriber list.
> I stopped manually monitoring the rejection list 10 years ago. Many of
> you have given me alternative email addresses to put on the whitelist
> so you can post from different accounts. Email me offline if you want
> to add one.
>
> - IAmWhoAm (AKA APF-O)
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 8:45 AM Nick Thompson
> <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>     Frank, Dave,
>
>      
>
>     Well I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been paying
>     close attention, but …
>
>      
>
>     I just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing from FRIAM
>     from 24 August on. 
>
>      
>
>     I have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like the wine
>     pourer at a classical “symposium”,  more or less watering the wine
>     to maintain the flow and quality of the conversation.  He won’t
>     admit to it of course, but every once in a while He “shuts me off”
>     from friam when He thinks I have become too … agitated?  I assume
>     He is also gently modulating your contributions in the same way,
>     as a beneficent god should.  I don’t know how He gets the time to
>     do it, but nothing else could possibly explain the fact that
>     sometimes our emails just go missing for a while.  So, I didn’t
>     get alarmed when I stopped receiving FRIAM correspondence in late
>     August.  I just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was
>     giving me a rest. 
>
>      
>
>     Thank you APF-O.  We love you and worship you. 
>
>      
>
>     Nick
>
>      
>
>     Ps.  Let me know if you don’t get this message.  (};-\)
>
>      
>
>     Nicholas S. Thompson
>
>     Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
>     Clark University
>
>     http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>      
>
>     *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
>     <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>     *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM
>     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>     <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation
>
>      
>
>     Dave,
>
>      
>
>     The Friam list remains as you can see but is sort of a trickle.  I
>     posted a couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview and
>     something I can't remember but they weren't up to the high
>     intellectual standard which engages you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et
>     al.  Glen did comment insightfully.  Nick will be back in Santa Fe
>     soon; maybe the change in location will stimulate him.
>
>      
>
>     Frank
>
>     -----------------------------------
>     Frank Wimberly
>
>     My memoir:
>     https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
>     My scientific publications:
>     https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
>     Phone (505) 670-9918
>
>      
>
>     On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM Prof David West
>     <profwest at fastmail.fm <mailto:profwest at fastmail.fm>> wrote:
>
>         Hello All,
>
>         Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from
>         my reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for
>         some time. Not in spam filter, so question is has the list
>         trickled to a stop or just not making it across the Atlantic.?
>
>         Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a
>         new book, The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the
>         truth from our eyes, by Donald D. Hoffman, professor of
>         cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis is that what we
>         perceive is but a constructed, via evolution,  "interface" and
>         not a veridical perception of "Reality."
>
>         Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being
>         the ones that see the optimal interface instead of what is
>         behind the interface is interesting.
>
>         Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and
>         Gadamer, and even some Peirce,  and seeing apparent parallels
>         between "interface,: "interpretation," and "experience." 
>         Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism convictions might be
>         illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition.
>
>         dave west
>
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