[FRIAM] what is Gertrude thinking?

[Steve Smith]

And next, I think we need to start the debate over what serialization
language "conceptual telepathy" will be based on.

Somehow I doubt it will be JSON except maybe for the biggest geeks who
already think in JavaScript or PostScript ( ala NeWS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS> circa 1988?), more likely whatever
Haskell systems developers use for serialization?  

Has anyone developed an "ethics filter or lens" for Haskell - Streams?

On 8/29/20 6:22 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> Marcus/Jon/MotherChurchers -
>> Do you believe him?
>
> I believe that what he is demonstrating is a roughly accurate 
> presentation of what NL has achieved to date.
>
> Am I astounded by:
>
>  1. How much progress has been made in the field in my life
>  2. How casual Musk and his fanbois/goils are about this
>  3. How Musk implies that the (truly significant) level of thoughtful
>     safety required for Tesla cars is similar to what is required here.
>
> I know I often render here as a neo-luddite, and perhaps that is what
> I am.   I was raised on scientific progress and science fiction and
> experienced a lot of engineering marvels coming to fruit right in
> front of me.   I have participated in and dreamed of a wide range of
> human-experience-enhancement projects, both professional and private,
> industrial and ad-hoc.    My "inner child" wants to live forever, have
> my physicality, my intellectuality, and if possible, my spirituality
> enhanced in any and every way it might be.   That could mean various
> modes of personal behaviour from diet to exercise/activity to
> meditation, etc.   Technologically it could be everything from
> chemistry to electronic to computational to physical.
>
> As I age (clumsily) it is easy for me to think of ways NL might
> extend/improve my life.   When I allow myself to fantasize I can go
> *all over the place*.   If I were younger and healthier I might be
> *even more* jazzed at imaginings of *enhancing* myself, not just
> mitigating losses.   Driving a car or motorcycle (or flying a plane)
> by "thought", extending my physiome more *directly* even than those
> kinds of devices do is fairly simple/appealing.   Taking the functions
> currently mediated through computers with screens/keyboards/mice,
> moble phones, fitness bands/rings, etc and making them more
> transparent are appealing.   I expect to be able to listen to
> music/podcasts/audiobooks without earbuds long before I can have a
> virtual Heads-Up display but I see both of those out there on the
> horizon.  Variations on telepresent robotics seem like excellent
> fusions of many of these features.   Seems like I might be living
> instead of dreaming my orbital mechanics as a
> telepresent-waldo-spaceship is my proxy (yes, comm lags are big
> issues, but there *are* ways to mitigate and work around some of that)
> And it goes on and on and on from there.   The sky is (not) the limit?
>
> The biggest problem with/challenge to all of this in MY opinion is the
> one the Amish apparently ask themselves when they are considering
> whether to adopt a new (to them) technology:  "who do I become when I
> have this technology?"
>
> I have already danced a little above with some of the "things I could
> do, and implied that i could be" with this technology and on the
> surface, it seems like mostly upside.   At best, it looks (like much
> of our current technology-of-personal-convenience) like a mixed bag.  
> I think many of us recognize that our discovery of the energy that is
> embedded in fossil fuels and the myriad ways we have learned to
> harness that energy has some unintended consequences that *might* have
> us wanting to roll it all back and proceed into our modern industrial
> revolution a bit more thoughtfully (however one does that).  
> Similarly, our widespread adoption of digital
> computation/storage/communication technologies might also fit that
> description.   Most of us agree that "screen time" is a challenge for
> most demographics...  Some may feel that "modern medicine" has become
> a significant "double-edged scalpel" for us... and modern
> agri-industry... and ...  and ...
>
> This leads to the reality that even if I or you, or all of FriAM
> resists this direction of development, or tries to overlay a strong
> review and regulation on it, it is going to happen, it is going to
> grow and spread.   I recognize that simply being *negative* about all
> progress rarely serves to help that progress be more human/humane...
> if anything it pushes it into the darker corners and it ends up
> emerging with kinks and twists from those dark corners shaping it more
> than it needs to.
>
> I'm ambi-valent on this technology...  stoked at the possibilities,
> but also very leery of unbridled optimism and (ab)uses flying off in
> all directions at once (inevitable?).   This is another example of
> Kauffman's "Adjacent Possible" space and bifurcation points.     I
> don't *like* the dreams of Kurzweil and other Singularians but I am
> believing that something resembling it is more likely and Musk might
> be a significant driver of that.   I know he speaks cautionarily
> against General AI, but I don't here him speak much about the
> (overwhelming?) problems of myriad other "unintended/anticipated
> consequences".
>
> Pedal to the metal!
>
>  - Steve
>
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