[FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

Prof David West profwest at fastmail.fm
Tue Dec 1 14:53:24 EST 2020


Nah,

"dogs understand the world in a similar way to other dogs" because they resonate with the same morphogentic field. That field is generated by dogs doing doggy stuff, but it is outside the dog, not inside like like doggy-machinery/doggy theory.

:)

davew


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, at 10:06 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> Sorry. That wasn't my intention. Humans and dogs are nothing but 
> machines (for this thread anyway). The point I'm trying to make is that 
> the machinery inside your dog *is* a theory. The reason your dog 
> understands the world in a similar way to other dogs is because dogs 
> have similar machinery, similar theories. The difference between humans 
> and dogs is that they have different machinery, different theories. The 
> difference between an AI and a human is ... wait for it ... different 
> theories. 8^D
> 
> On 12/1/20 9:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > You seem to be implying that humans are somehow different than machines.    That they have something like Chomsky's language acquisition device which is novel in ways that humans don't understand well enough to implement.    My dog learns all sorts of conditional probabilities.    For example, she knows she can paw on the garage door in the evening and find me on that conveyor belt machine thing.   She knows or at least reacts to a correlation between me grabbing my wallet and driving to the dog park.  She knows that food is available immediately after that trip.  These networks of relations are the sort of structures that were learned in my copy deprotection example.   Just deeper networks with somewhat more precise perceptual cues.   I'm pretty sure my dog has no time or interest in theory.   There are balls to chase, and delivery people to scare off.    I would even say my dog performs experiments when she slams a toy down in front of me to see if it is a good time to play.
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