[FRIAM] Please change the damned thread

[Marcus Daniels]

I suppose it is unsurprising that people are intrigued by celebrities like Trump as leaders.  A projection of the complex needs of a large population to something much easier to process.    Like Hedges rhetoric simplifies a set of tradeoffs (e.g. Kerry's efforts toward energy independence versus their environmental consequences).    It seems that's what many people want from social networking platforms, is to maintain local or interpersonal type dynamics.   Accusation is perhaps the wrong word -- nucleating bad faith for the sake of a pitch, is more my objection.   Preventing that nucleation pretty much requires confrontation.   Of course, many will turn back to the consensus of their tribes, finding it unpleasant to have everything they say stripped down to the bone.

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Agreed. But like with your "just kidding" comment, venues like newspapers, web logs, and mailing lists are NOT media for interpersonal relationships. They're posts to public fora. And Hedges' hyperbolic message, being a public essay, is a rhetorical post, not an accusation. And, again, this is where the postmodernists' warnings are well-taken. Read too literally and you'll be misled. Read too figuratively and you'll be misled. Accusations of accusation are a bit like the fallacy fallacy and hearken back to Poe's Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law


On 12/8/20 2:18 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> A hypothesis itself, certainly as stated by Hedges, can itself be abuse in the sense it is an unqualified accusation of dishonesty.  It can be answered, but requires stepping away from his particular value system.
> For example, maybe not everyone gets to thrive.  Even in that situation (which is the norm) there can still be a debate about how orderly and transparent the system is that leads to allocation of shared resources.


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