[FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

[Marcus Daniels]

In one e-mail you say that advocates for worthy non-profits have an obligation to redistribute money from those having ill-gotten gains, but in this case it “flawed human beings” “belong up on the hill”.    It seems there is an ethical line in your mind after all.    This is not to say that *I* think LANL has ill-gotten gains, but if *you* did, it seems to be exactly what you were suggesting:   As a LANL scientist (~ leader of a non-profit), one *should* seek a portion of the multi-billion dollar budget (~ Epstein riches) and do some science (~ good not bad thing) with it.

It is voters in the US that have given LANL the primary role that it has had.   If voters don’t like that role, they should change their government.   I think voters do like and want that role, because they being a dominant country in the world.   A menacing military helps make it so.   Recently, many voters have been pretty overt about their predatory inclinations, with Trump’s walls and all that.

LANL is a premier Department of Energy lab that without any huge structural changes could further advance climate prediction and mitigation, renewable energy, planetary defense, environmental cleanup, or pretty much anything.    There will be hundreds if not thousands of staff up there that would love to diversify their priorities if given the opportunity.

Marcus
From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
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Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the hill.  As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is in a far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc.

Marcus
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Dear New Mexico friends –
As we have explained in previous letters<http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important!

Thank you!

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