[FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Tue Jan 14 00:53:10 EST 2020

Yep.

Next week I'll be in Boulder at NREL.  They are engineers--not
scientists--but they have somehow kept going with some terrific work--under
the DOE radar.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:40 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
wrote:

> In one e-mail you say that advocates for worthy non-profits have an
> obligation to redistribute money from those having ill-gotten gains, but in
> this case it “flawed human beings” “belong up on the hill”.    It seems
> there is an ethical line in your mind after all.    This is not to say that
> **I** think LANL has ill-gotten gains, but if **you** did, it seems to be
> exactly what you were suggesting:   As a LANL scientist (~ leader of a
> non-profit), one **should** seek a portion of the multi-billion dollar
> budget (~ Epstein riches) and do some science (~ good not bad thing) with
> it.
>
>
>
> It is voters in the US that have given LANL the primary role that it has
> had.   If voters don’t like that role, they should change their government.
>   I think voters do like and want that role, because they being a dominant
> country in the world.   A menacing military helps make it so.   Recently,
> many voters have been pretty overt about their predatory inclinations, with
> Trump’s walls and all that.
>
>
>
> LANL is a premier Department of Energy lab that without any huge
> structural changes could further advance climate prediction and mitigation,
> renewable energy, planetary defense, environmental cleanup, or pretty much
> anything.    There will be hundreds if not thousands of staff up there that
> would love to diversify their priorities if given the opportunity.
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <
> merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Date: *Monday, January 13, 2020 at 8:37 PM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00
> outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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>
>
> Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I
> still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons
> work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or
> training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if
> it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the
> hill.  As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is
> in a far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some
> kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
> It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear
> Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport,
> give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and
> down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just
> eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need
> for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay
> to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a
> foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population,
> maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in
> Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking,
> except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart
> public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.
>
>
>
> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <
> wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Date: *Monday, January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00
> outside SF City Hall; bring friends
>
>
>
> In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in
> plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it
> is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's
> economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many
> projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that
> than I.
>
> -----------------------------------
> Frank Wimberly
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
> < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes
> in taxpayer ripoffs. >
>
>
>
> I am confident the use of such a property would be for science,
> administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national
> work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of
> them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the
> federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI,
> etc.
>
>
>
> Marcus
> ------------------------------
>
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> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF
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> Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
> Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring
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> *Dear New Mexico friends – *
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> As we have explained in previous letters
> <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on which
> the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former
> College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a
> 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration
> (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National
> Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as
> tenant(s).
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> The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has
> disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social,
> cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons
> campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and
> what this would be.)
>
> People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and
> corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.
>
> If you live *anywhere* nearby please come to this joint press conference,
> and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance
> matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work
> later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely
> unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who
> know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some
> spine from us out here to take to their bosses.
>
> New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice
> area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.
>
> We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by
> noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.
>
> While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we
> can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want
> that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just
> don't know.
>
> This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other
> and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to
> any City officials willing to do so.
>
> *Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are
> recommending right now. It is very, very important!  *
>
> Thank you!
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President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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