[FRIAM] causality east and west

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Doug, 

Hmmm!  I am wondering if we are about to discover why no women have ever stuck with FRIAM. 

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Douglass Carmichael
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:16 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] causality east and west

“bring people along is too direct, too pushy.  Confucius said “If I show someone one corner of a rectangle and they don’t come back with the other three I drop the conversation.” The irrationality of the request, because not enough is given,  is intentional.

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:17 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doug,
> 
> And Eastern philosophy has a whole different understanding of 
> "argument", I would suppose, and how one goes about convincing someone 
> of something, if one does at all.
> 
> Back in the village where I should be this summer, I would never 
> "argue for " a position or directly try to "convince" my neighbors of 
> anything directly.  I would get my porch light sot out.  In a village, 
> we try to "bring people along".  Is that what Eastern "argument" is like?
> 
> n
> 
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University 
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Douglass Carmichael
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:04 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] causality east and west
> 
> A causes B western view, straight arrow.
> 
> The eastern view is  look at the context of A and the context of B in
> widening circles of effects  at some point the circles will intersect. In
> the western view secondary effects are discardedin the astern view secondary
> effect are primary. 
> 
> interesting
> 
> doug
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> What about something being permissibly prior rather than just 
>> temporally prior? Perhaps, we would use a different word than cause?
>> 
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