[FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide

[Jochen Fromm]

Sure, I would like to see it, maybe the others too? I have a feeling that there is something evil about the Weinstein brothers, though. I watched the discussion between Richard Dawkins and Bret Weinstein for instance, and Richard Dawkins was awesome, he focused on ideas and explained them clearly while Bret only talked about himself and his ideas, and made flattering comments such as Narcissists do, especially in the last 20 minutes. People with NPD do exactly that, they are masters of self-promotion and flattery who mainly talk about themselves https://youtu.be/hYzU-DoEV6kDawkins said in this interview that genes and memes would tussle each other in a great soup of replicators. There would be various kinds of replicators, genes and memes, and they are all engaged in a kind of tussle with each other to survive as replicators. A whole genome would be a massive collection of "cooperative" viruses who share the same vehicle to go around as a gang and replicate themselves. This means that a genome is a bundle of cooperative viruses, and a virus is like a selfish gene that goes awry. A virus is like a gene with a narcissistic personality disorder so to speak. Could a virus be seen as a selfish gene gone rogue? I like this idea.-J.
-------- Original message --------From: thompnickson2 at gmail.com Date: 6/2/20  17:57  (GMT+01:00) To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits SuicideJochen,My evidence about the brothers Weinstein comes solely from that one, brother-to-brother, podcast which I watched with utter (watching a trainwreck) fascination.  I have never met an academic who doesn’t think that, in some sense, s/he deserves a Nobel prize.  Some of us are consumed by it, and, I am guessing, it’s those folks get the Nobel prizes.  The rest of us live out happy lives of muted disappointment.  As I read that podcast, Bret was not consumed by it; Eric, on the other hand, was consumed by Bret’s lack of consumption.  Sounds like a soap opera, doesn’t it?  Cult of the Individual.   I was so moved by it, I have been drafting a letter to them, which is only a synopsis of all that it stirred up in me.  Perhaps you would like to see it.  God know it would never break through to them.  In any case, I recommend you throw out your Vioxx. Nick  Nicholas ThompsonEmeritus Professor of Ethology and PsychologyClark UniversityThompNickSon2 at gmail.comhttps://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/   From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Jochen FrommSent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 12:19 AMTo: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide I have heard of Penrose and his idea of Quantum Consciousness. Some of the Weinstein podcasts are interesting. But Eric works for Peter Thiel, who has not the best image. And Bret seems to be eaten up by his bitterness and revenge fantasies, because Carol Greider has stolen his idea and got the Nobel Prize and he has nothing. From my own experience in the academic world I can confirm that there is a true core behind the myth (or conspiracy theory) of the DISC. -J.  -------- Original message --------From: Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> Date: 6/2/20 00:33 (GMT+01:00) To: friam at redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide  Jochen, What is kind of funny is that two episodes later,rather than forcefully pushing his DISC-obsessedprogram forward, he invites Roger Penrose on tothe show to have a really satisfying and verystraightforward discussion of mathematics andphysics. They talk Gauge theory, Riemanniangeometry, light cones, the mass of particles,spinors, twistors, Aharonov-Bohm, Maxwell,Lie groups, and what makes 15 dimensionalspaces unique. Jon
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