[FRIAM] End most covid transmission?

[Merle Lefkoff]

Dear Nick.  Please oh please keep trying!

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:41 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> No, I don’t think vinegar will stay on the gloves.  Acetic acid is a
> volatile, so it just evaporates away.
>
> Best,
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 12:32 PM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eric and all,
>
> Thanks for taking it seriously.  Do we know anyone who could comment on
> the notion further.  Would cotton gloves washed in vinegar be anti viral
> when dried?
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:32 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission?
>
> Nick and all, hi,
>
> This will be completely un-useful and un-actionable to anybody, but the
> way you phrased your question is interesting anyway.
>
> When there was a push to develop fuel cells with polymer membranes, to get
> away from platinum-palladium catalysts, one of the problems was that they
> needed a membrane that would be proton-donating (so, functioning as an acid
> by the Bronsted definition).  There was a heavy raft of work for perhaps a
> decade (maybe much longer) on polymer materials that have very acidic
> side-chains.  I don’t know how anything like that behaves if it is out
> under air, rather than in a fluid environment.  But if viruses are not dry,
> and are hosted in small droplets for a time, perhaps that distinction is
> less relevant.
>
> In any case, considering that the glove industry is probably entirely
> predicated on reducing unit cost, and that I have no idea what the
> elasticity may be of fuel cell membrane polymers, they probably will not be
> glove material anytime soon.  I haven’t even looked at that literature for,
> what, maybe 15 years (?).  So I have no idea what the state of development
> is now.
>
> Eric.
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:38 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Any materials experts out there?
>
> Ok, so.  We know that most covid transmission is hand to face and we know
> that the virus is highly vulnerable to acids and some other substances.  Is
> it not possible to design gloves (and perhaps masks) with those substances
> embedded?  How about cloth gloves dunked in vinegar and hung out to dry
> before wearing?  Is vinegar still acid when it’s dry?
>
> Yeah.  I know.  Dumb.  But somebody explain to me why.
>
> N
>
> Nicholas Thompson
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> Clark University
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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