[FRIAM] oxytocin, again

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Sorry, Glen.  I don't mean to troll.  I stipulate that trolling is wickedness.  There is another practice, akin to trolling perhaps, which I call "Dragging the conversation into one's own cave so one can gnaw on it in one's usual way".   What I want to gnaw on here is that, I think we delude ourselves when we mix up behavioral states (in which I include emotional states) with physiological states (in which I include oxytocin levels.  I am always (too?) eager to talk about that issue.  I apologize for perhaps not taking your post on its own terms, but using it to tee-up another, perhaps irrelevant conversation.  

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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Such a troll question. Should I put every word in scare quotes? 8^)

If you'll notice the title of the 2nd paper, you'll see they use 'hidden', not hidden. Sheesh. More importantly, the whole point of dilated pupils, and perhaps an "empathetic state of emotion" (there, all in quotes to allow for any more trolling) up-regulated by hormones *is* to make such subtle states more "visible".

On 3/4/20 10:54 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> Are emotion states hidden?  I will grant that hormonal states are "hidden".  But an emotion state is a tuning of the organism's behavior with respect to the environment, and hence "visible" to any well situated observer, no?  


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