[FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Marcus, 

Actually, what my REASON tells me, is that the best thing for me individually, as an octogenarian, would be to find somebody with the virus and hug them.  The hope would be that I would get the best possible medical care BEFORE the crisis hits generally and then whatever is going to happen to me would have already have happened by the time the virus becomes epidemic in Santa Fe.  To make such a strategy ethical, I would need to go immediately from the hug to a hospital room fool of people in hazmat suits.  I am not sure that such exists, yet, here in Santa Fe  

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism

Temporary refrigeration for some FRIAM members?  Just until it all blows over?  

On 3/11/20, 9:30 AM, "Friam on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Dave, 
    
    Well, at the very least, the kind of information that would convince me to take a somewhat dodgy drug to fend off covid19.  
    
    N
    
    Nicholas Thompson
    Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
    Clark University
    ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
    https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
     
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
    Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:05 AM
    To: friam at redfish.com
    Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Pragmaticism and puritanism
    
    May I add — what would convince you that psychedelic experiences are worth of the same kind of investigation as "ordinary" experiences.
    
    davew
    
    
    On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
    > Well, I definitely privilege scientific ways of knowing more than any 
    > other way of knowing [†]. So I don't disagree with what you *say*. But 
    > it seems to me that *you* don't privilege scientific knowledge in 
    > these discussions. You talk a LOT about philosophy and metaphysics, 
    > but not much about scientific results. The recent 'round and 'round 
    > about "sledgehammers", Peirce's metaphysics, or whatnot, largely 
    > ignoring any attempts to discuss psychedelic research and medicine, 
    > seems to imply that you do not privilege science.
    > 
    > So, maybe if I pull out the old saw again?  If results published in 
    > peer-reviewed literature and clinical trial data will NOT convince you 
    > that psychedelics can be used as medicine, then what WOULD convince 
    > you? If nothing will ever convince you, then you certainly do NOT 
    > privilege science.
    > 
    > 
    > [†] It ain't perfect; and it ain't the only kind of knowledge. But 
    > it's the best we have.
    > 
    > On 3/10/20 11:03 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
    > > No, I am not sure that Dave and Glen would disagree with any of this.
    > 
    > --
    > ☣ uǝlƃ
    > 
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